The NPC Reviews: Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight (Film)


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The NPC takes his punishment and looks at the movie adaptation of the first Dragonlance novel. Don't get your hopes up.

Here


Regrettably accurate.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Regrettably accurate.

Sadly so, and I had such high hopes when I heard about it back in the day.

Shadow Lodge

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The best thing about this movie is that it makes you realize how much worse the D&D movies could have been.


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Kthulhu wrote:
The best thing about this movie is that it makes you realize how much worse the D&D movies could have been.

*Opens mouth to speak and closes it*

I agree.


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What was in the bottle?


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Drejk wrote:
What was in the bottle?

Ice tea and crystal light.


Yeah, I just reached the point where the contents of the bottle are revealed...


Drejk wrote:
Yeah, I just reached the point where the contents of the bottle are revealed...

Curses. There's goes the joke.


Kthulhu wrote:
The best thing about this movie is that it makes you realize how much worse the D&D movies could have been.

Well, at least #2 and maybe #3.

Much more sad is that that the Dragonlance animated movie is about 10x better then the first D&D movie (though it does have Thora Birch in it).


I... can't really say that it is. Better, I mean.

At least the 2,000 movie could be... uh... entertaining...

DL: DoAT doesn't even really have that going for it. To me, this one was just... boring, while the other was bad.

The second and third films were, in fact, far superior to either of these (though seeing the second film's Ishtar was... well, it was pretty hilarious, for the downgrade in Ishtar's quality, and really made it look like the arrogant mages were right: "Make everyone equal, and it's all downhill from there!" - heh, fractured moral, eh?).


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I didn't watch the review, so apologies if this was mentioned, but the voice acting in the animated Dragonlance film was just atrocious. It seemed so flat, and lacking in tone.

It reminded me of a lesson learned by watching the Disney dubs of Ghibli films: there's a big difference between acting and voice acting. Casting famous actors instead of skilled voice actors is often a (costly) mistake.


Check out the reviiiiieeeeeeewww~! It's actually really great!


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Tacticslion wrote:
Check out the reviiiiieeeeeeewww~! It's actually really great!

I plan to, I've just been at work all night.


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Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?
wait... this was made in the 2000s?!

Shadow Lodge

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Aranna wrote:
Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?

I've seen Snow White. Animation wasn't that bad in 1937.

It probably would have been better if they had just gone 100% with 2D animation OR the CGI. Both were still crap, but at least then it would have been CONSISTENT crap. I'm really of the opinion that 2D animation and CGI don't ever blend together well.

Shadow Lodge

GreyWolfLord wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
The best thing about this movie is that it makes you realize how much worse the D&D movies could have been.

Well, at least #2 and maybe #3.

Much more sad is that that the Dragonlance animated movie is about 10x better then the first D&D movie (though it does have Thora Birch in it).

I'll have to disagree. I find the 2000 D&D movie to be about 20x better than the Dragonlance abomination. Yeah, it's cheesy and stuff, but it has some fun moments. Dragonlance is just BAD. Even the "highlights" from this review, like Raistlin's voice acting, are just plain bad. It's probably the worst movie I've ever actually finished. (And it takes something pretty damn horrendous for me to give up on it completely...the last time I did that was the snoozefest called Under the Skin.)


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Kthulhu wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?

I've seen Snow White. Animation wasn't that bad in 1937.

It probably would have been better if they had just gone 100% with 2D animation OR the CGI. Both were still crap, but at least then it would have been CONSISTENT crap. I'm really of the opinion that 2D animation and CGI don't ever blend together well.

Or, 2D animation + rotoscope.


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Aranna wrote:

Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?

wait... this was made in the 2000s?!

it was a true slap in the face to Dragonlance fans.


Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:

Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?

wait... this was made in the 2000s?!
it was a true slap in the face to Dragonlance fans.

Ouch!


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Kthulhu wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?

I've seen Snow White. Animation wasn't that bad in 1937.

It probably would have been better if they had just gone 100% with 2D animation OR the CGI. Both were still crap, but at least then it would have been CONSISTENT crap. I'm really of the opinion that 2D animation and CGI don't ever blend together well.

Titan A.E.

Best 2D/3D blend I can think of.


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Full disclosure on the Titan A.E. movie:

Someone I trust told me a moment ago that making that movie did put the studio which produced it out of business, so maybe it isn't as good as I remember. Still, I said "best 2D/3D blend" and that leaves me a little wiggle room. And I liked it regardless.

sheepish grin


Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:

Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?

wait... this was made in the 2000s?!
it was a true slap in the face to Dragonlance fans.

To all D&D fans, though Dragonlance fans were hit the hardest.

Quark Blast wrote:

Full disclosure on the Titan A.E. movie:

Someone I trust told me a moment ago that making that movie did put the studio which produced it out of business, so maybe it isn't as good as I remember. Still, I said "best 2D/3D blend" and that leaves me a little wiggle room. And I liked it regardless.

sheepish grin

I do to, bro. I do to. :)


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Quark Blast wrote:

Full disclosure on the Titan A.E. movie:

Someone I trust told me a moment ago that making that movie did put the studio which produced it out of business, so maybe it isn't as good as I remember. Still, I said "best 2D/3D blend" and that leaves me a little wiggle room. And I liked it regardless.

sheepish grin

I loved Titan A.E. the first time around. The second time, probably over ten years later, I still liked it...but it was not as good as I remembered. And one of its worst features was actually the attempt to blend the animation styles.

That said, I'd watch Titan A.E. a hundred times in a row before I watched Dragonlance again once.


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Did not care for the many plot holes of Titan AE.

Would still watch it a million times hanging out with my good buddies Joss Whedon and Mark Zuckerberg doing color commentary while our mutual friend, Alton Brown, prepared dinner for us, instead of watching that truly insulting Dragonlance movie again.


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Good heavens, Freehold; I feel like I just heard Gandhi endorse the use of violence!


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Freehold DM wrote:


Did not care for the many plot holes of Titan AE.

Would still watch it a million times hanging out with my good buddies Joss Whedon and Mark Zuckerberg doing color commentary while our mutual friend, Alton Brown, prepared dinner for us, instead of watching that truly insulting Dragonlance movie again.

Oh my.

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Kthulhu wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Wow... was animation really that bad in the eighties?

I've seen Snow White. Animation wasn't that bad in 1937.

In the '30's Animation was seriously produced as an art, not something to be done by the cheapest method possible in order to sell a new line of toys.

There reasons why the Warner Brother cartoons of Chuck Jones is considered the high mark of American Animation. It was not just the animation, but all of the other aspects that went into making superior work such as sound and musical orchestration. (when you next see a Chuck Jones cartoon, look at the credits.)

Problem is... Animation remains perceived in America as something for children, not something for the prime adverstising market, so it rarely commands the budget needed for quality work.

Silver Crusade

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And this was the version Weis and Hickman inadvertently had to fight to get.

The previous animation studio that planned to take it on was Nelvana.

It was going to have song numbers.

....but imagine your favorite AP adapted by Legend of Korra's animation studios. Man. One can dream.


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Mikaze wrote:

And this was the version Weis and Hickman inadvertently had to fight to get.

The previous animation studio that planned to take it on was Nelvana.

It was going to have song numbers.

....but imagine your favorite AP adapted by Legend of Korra's animation studios. Man. One can dream.

Oh Mikaze. You know just what to say.

Silver Crusade

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It's been on my mind lately after our WotR group wound up having a too-serious conversation about what our opening-ending credits music would be for each book/season so far. :) And then the "character image songs" discussion happened...

personal favorites for animated adaptation would have to be CotCT, JR, WotR, and IG at the moment


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I actually own the DVD of Dragons of Autumn Twilight*. The NPC nailed pretty much everything I could have said about it, though if anything his tone was somewhat kinder than I would have been. :-(

Of the voice-actors, I do agree Kiefer did a good job, probably the best he could with the material he had, but that might’ve been because reading the character-summary for Raistlin let him cheat by channeling Jack Bauer at his most nihilistic. The others... I can’t speak to the pro VAs, since I’m not that familiar with their other work, but Lucy Lawless and Michelle Trachtenburg (as Tika) are great actors who were clearly working in an environment that didn’t play to their skills, and just as clearly they didn’t get nearly as much advice or help from their pro-VA fellows as they needed.

@ Mikaze & co.: you jokers realise that you’re making me imagine an animated or even live-action retelling of Burnt Offerings and/or the whole Rise of the Runelords AP, right? I’m thinking Rinko Kikuchi might channel a little Mako Mori into her portrayal of Ameiko....

* I’d heard the movie was of, erm, dubious quality and loyalty to the original material, so I spared myself some financial pain by getting it from a bargain-bin for less than ten bucks. I only watched it once, because like The NPC I just couldn’t face that pain again, and the only reason I didn’t try to get my money back from the store was because they have a strict no-return policy. :-S


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Freehold DM wrote:


Did not care for the many plot holes of Titan AE.

Would still watch it a million times hanging out with my good buddies Joss Whedon and Mark Zuckerberg doing color commentary while our mutual friend, Alton Brown, prepared dinner for us, instead of watching that truly insulting Dragonlance movie again.

... Can I join you?


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Sissyl wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:


Did not care for the many plot holes of Titan AE.

Would still watch it a million times hanging out with my good buddies Joss Whedon and Mark Zuckerberg doing color commentary while our mutual friend, Alton Brown, prepared dinner for us, instead of watching that truly insulting Dragonlance movie again.

... Can I join you?

...fine. But you have to bring dessert.


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Trace Coburn wrote:
Of the voice-actors, I do agree Kiefer did a good job, probably the best he could with the material he had, but that might’ve been because reading the character-summary for Raistlin let him cheat by channeling Jack Bauer at his most nihilistic. The others... I can’t speak to the pro VAs, since I’m not that familiar with their other work, but Lucy Lawless and Michelle Trachtenburg (as Tika) are great actors who were clearly working in an environment that didn’t play to their skills, and just as clearly they didn’t get nearly as much advice or help from their pro-VA fellows as they needed.

Assuming they were ever in the same room together.


I didn't know they even made this movie.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I didn't know they even made this movie.

And now you wish you didn't? ;)

Liberty's Edge

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Freehold DM wrote:


Did not care for the many plot holes of Titan AE.

Would still watch it a million times hanging out with my good buddies Joss Whedon and Mark Zuckerberg doing color commentary while our mutual friend, Alton Brown, prepared dinner for us, instead of watching that truly insulting Dragonlance movie again.

[cue loud record needle scratch sound effect]

Wait ... woah, woah, woah!!! Did I parse through Freehold's clever sarcasm correctly? Was that a shot on Alton Brown!?!??!?!

I hope not because I LOVE Alton Brown!!!!


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Marc Radle wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:


Did not care for the many plot holes of Titan AE.

Would still watch it a million times hanging out with my good buddies Joss Whedon and Mark Zuckerberg doing color commentary while our mutual friend, Alton Brown, prepared dinner for us, instead of watching that truly insulting Dragonlance movie again.

[cue loud record needle scratch sound effect]

Wait ... woah, woah, woah!!! Did I parse through Freehold's clever sarcasm correctly? Was that a shot on Alton Brown!?!??!?!

I hope not because I LOVE Alton Brown!!!!

I too, love Alton Brown.

Spoiler:
...in a light butter sauce.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:


Did not care for the many plot holes of Titan AE.

Would still watch it a million times hanging out with my good buddies Joss Whedon and Mark Zuckerberg doing color commentary while our mutual friend, Alton Brown, prepared dinner for us, instead of watching that truly insulting Dragonlance movie again.

[cue loud record needle scratch sound effect]

Wait ... woah, woah, woah!!! Did I parse through Freehold's clever sarcasm correctly? Was that a shot on Alton Brown!?!??!?!

I hope not because I LOVE Alton Brown!!!!

I too, love Alton Brown.** spoiler omitted **

What wine goes with that?


"Snyarf~!" or so I've heard.

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