Just house rule it.
Either give them Reach, or make them martial weapons. Either is a workable fix.
It's on d20pfsrd.
Elven branched spear, 20 gp, 1d8, ×3, 10 lbs., P, brace, reach
"Behind this long pole weapon's spearhead, several short branches project from the shaft at irregular intervals, each angled forward and tipped with a smaller leaf-like blade. When you make attacks of opportunity provoked by movement, you gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls. You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls with an elven branched spear sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. Elves treat elven branched spears as martial weapons."
But remember, guys, spiked chains with reach? Absolutely overpowered! Because———————
I'm necromancing this thread as an alternative to derailing the other thread.
No, "just shut up" isn't an option, and just by asking that you've added yourself to my Enemies List!
Because Jason didn't like 3.5's trip builds... So he nerfed tripping (and maneuvers in general) as much as he could. Feats, weapons, AoOs, the maneuver themselves... It all got a huge beating from the nerf bat.
It's one of the reasons why some people mock Pathfinder by calling it D&D 3.5 - Caster Edition.
Yep, this is the truth of it. The particular distaste for trips and the spiked whip is on display.
Yeah, if the ship has sailed and you want it in your games talk to your dm and persuade them.
Or be the dm and say spiked chains are back, just as per 3.5.
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With the news that Pummeling Style getting nerfed hardcore, I am really beginning to wish the devs would listen to the large number of people unhappy with martials continuously being depowered while spellcasters go unmolested.
I'd start a new thread about it, but recent history indicates it would be locked the 2nd page in.
It will never change, sorry. The managed to remove divine protection from the game, but I think you are out of luck for spiked chainI'm necromancing this thread as an alternative to derailing the other thread.
No, "just shut up" isn't an option, and just by asking that you've added yourself to my Enemies List!
*Cries*
*Insert obligatory martials cant have nice things post*With the news that Pummeling Style getting nerfed hardcore, I am really beginning to wish the devs would listen to the large number of people unhappy with martials continuously being depowered while spellcasters go unmolested.
I'd start a new thread about it, but recent history indicates it would be locked the 2nd page in.
Consider heading over here. I think it's about due a necromance, in light of the reactions to the ACG errata.
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Consider heading over here. I think it's about due a necromance, in light of the reactions to the ACG errata.*Insert obligatory martials cant have nice things post*With the news that Pummeling Style getting nerfed hardcore, I am really beginning to wish the devs would listen to the large number of people unhappy with martials continuously being depowered while spellcasters go unmolested.
I'd start a new thread about it, but recent history indicates it would be locked the 2nd page in.
*Insert obligatory martials cant have nice things post*With the news that Pummeling Style getting nerfed hardcore, I am really beginning to wish the devs would listen to the large number of people unhappy with martials continuously being depowered while spellcasters go unmolested.
I'd start a new thread about it, but recent history indicates it would be locked the 2nd page in.
It would be locked. They are very sensitive to criticisms.
It would be locked. They are very sensitive to criticisms.*Insert obligatory martials cant have nice things post*With the news that Pummeling Style getting nerfed hardcore, I am really beginning to wish the devs would listen to the large number of people unhappy with martials continuously being depowered while spellcasters go unmolested.
I'd start a new thread about it, but recent history indicates it would be locked the 2nd page in.
Well, that and repeated criticism on the same topic. They don't seem to agree with the large number of people -- however large that might be -- that aren't happy with their choices. It doesn't pay to continue the conversation.
Some are not happy with accepting poor decisions, so the criticisms will, I suspect, continue. :)
Yeah. That puzzles me, though. House rule it and save the energy for something more useful, like mowing the lawn or washing dishes. If they are not interested in changing their minds, slamming your head into a wall doesn't impress the wall and leaves you with a soft head. :)
Yeah. That puzzles me, though. House rule it and save the energy for something more useful, like mowing the lawn or washing dishes. If they are not interested in changing their minds, slamming your head into a wall doesn't impress the wall and leaves you with a soft head. :)
Which would work better if there was not a distinct, statistically observed tendency for people who don't believe the house ruling is needed to derail the house rule threads. :P
Yeah. That puzzles me, though. House rule it and save the energy for something more useful, like mowing the lawn or washing dishes. If they are not interested in changing their minds, slamming your head into a wall doesn't impress the wall and leaves you with a soft head. :)Which would work better if there was not a distinct, statistically observed tendency for people who don't believe the house ruling is needed to derail the house rule threads. :P
Yes, people are often problematic. There is not much we can do about invading other threads, anymore than we can limit issue threads to less than a handful.
And the Kuthites continue to cry over their "favored" weapon.
How do battle-focused priests of Zon even still exist?
