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Worshipping an Evil God(dess) doesn't cause issues unless you let it. I have a Red Mantis Assassin (emulated before Warpriest Archetype) character that only works for the Society as a means to capture Torch. I do any mission assigned in the hopes that they'll send me his way. The character even detects as LE, being a partial cleric of Achaekek. Only comes up when an NPC makes the knowledge checks on my gear or Detects Evil on me. A Wand of Undetectable Alignment is great for this type of stuff.
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Urguthoa is a legal deity choice in PFS. You'll have to be True Neutral in alignment, as evil characters are not allowed. You can have a character who's a misanthrope and hates everyone but doesn't go out of her way to cause harm to others.
Keep in mind that Alchemical allocation specifies the round AFTER the spell, so if you consume it on the same round, it doesn't technically work. That said, I see the appeal of being able to swift-action drink a buffing extract, standard action drink alchemical allocation, next round swift-action drink a potion, free action spit it back into the container, and still have a full round of actions to take after receiving the benefits of two buffs.
Expect GMs to be very strict about following the rules with this one, though, because it feels like an exploit even when run legally. They will probably demand to see the ISG book or PDF to make sure you're allowed to use it, and to verify the exact wording of the rules.
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So long as worshipping said deity does not hinder the tenets of Explore, Report, and Cooperate, you're good to go.
Let's please not turn this discussion into another locked thread about neutral characters worshipping evil gods.
EDIT: too late. Ninja'd by 2 seconds.
Yep, sneaky Assassins with Ninja levels...
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Expect GMs to be very strict about following the rules with this one, though, because it feels like an exploit even when run legally. They will probably demand to see the ISG book or PDF to make sure you're allowed to use it, and to verify the exact wording of the rules.
A great way to prepare for GM questioning is to be a step ahead. Keep printouts of the specific pages and sections that each character utilizes. Have them ready to present if there is any question of the legality of your character's actions.
This also helps keeps the action going; preventing having to leaf through books and such during the session.
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I'd tell you but you don't quite have the...gravitas for that information.
And there's a perfectly good target coming this year, no need to hunt poor old Torchie. She has already struck once, her spies watch our movements and her allies gather in the shadows. There will be blood, trust me on this. Blood aplenty.
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Keep in mind that Potion Glutton doesn't let you draw forth those extracts any faster. So you'll still need to spend a Move to draw one, because that's what you need to draw a potion.
This is very true. Though this could be circumvented by having an ability that allows you to draw a potion as a swift action. Unfortunately, you'd then lose your swift action to drink it....So, yeah. I'm really liking the visual of this in action.
Move: Draw mutagen
Swift: Drink mutagen without provoking
Free: Get beefy
Standard: Attack with help from new beefyness.
Man, if the Alchemist I've been planning wasn't already Neutral Good, I would totally try this. ^.^!!
Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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The real problem with potion glutton is that you're probably going to have to bring a dictionary to argue about the meaning of "other potable".
Per the text, I'd say you could drink extracts with it. But a lot of people have knee-jerk reactions to it. I'm not sure I'm gonna get it on my (Urgathoa-appreciating) investigator, because I don't feel like the constant arguing.
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You gulp down potions with unsettling speed.
Prerequisites: Worshiper of Urgathoa.
Benefit: You can drink potions, elixirs, or other potables as a swift action without provoking attacks of opportunity.
Normal: Drinking potions is a move action that provokes attacks of opportunity.
If someone had read off the feat to me as you quoted it, they wouldn't be using that feat at my table.
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Keep in mind that Potion Glutton doesn't let you draw forth those extracts any faster. So you'll still need to spend a Move to draw one, because that's what you need to draw a potion.
There's no need for an extra action to draw an extract:
From the FAQ:
Alchemist: What kind of action is it to use an extract, mutagen, or throw a bomb?
It is a standard action to use an extract, mutagen, or throw a bomb. This action includes retrieving the necessary materials from the alchemist's supplies, in the same manner as retrieving a material component is included in the act of spellcasting.
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@Desolate: That's if you're drinking extracts normally. Potion glutton only allows you to drink something you're already holding as a swift action. It doesn't draw the item for you.
Good point, but watch out for table variation. Some people have been calling potion glutton and extracts a cheap way for quicken spell for alchemists. It might be worth a FAQ for this situation.
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I am interested in this for my alchemist as well, although I will probably play it conservatively and have the extract in hand, and only use it once per fight or so. Even like that, it is still very worth it and very powerful.
Edit: it is a good idea not to be too dependent on a trick that may be subject to table variation. Always have a backup plan.
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Drawing the extract is part the "standard action to use an extract." Drinking something, by itself, does not have that specific exception. If an extract is treated like a potion for Potion Glutton, it's a perfectly reasonable reading of RAW that it should function like a potion. It must be in hand in order to use Potion Glutton or Accelerated Drinker or any other feat, trait, or whatever that doesn't include the specific language from the FAQ that applies to the "standard action to use an extract."
The "Normal" clause in Potion Glutton tells you what it modifies. It changes the move action, not the standard action.
Quicken spell is different, because it changes the action to cast a spell, and the action to cast a spell includes drawing materials.
Even with reading it this way, it's still a powerful feat, because it still allows you to consume two extracts in one round. Move action to draw an extract, swift to drink, standard to draw/drink another extract. My investigator might have to convert.
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BNW: Good point. I forgot the language in Accelerated Drinker is more restrictive.
redward: Also a good point. I was going off the quoted version above, which is from Archives of Nethys and may not be correct.
To think about it another way, the FAQ doesn't say that drawing an extract is a not an action, or that it is a free action. It says that it's included in the standard action.
A possible parallel would be drawing a weapon as part of a move. A 5-foot step is not a move, and therefore doesn't allow drawing a weapon for free, even though it allows you to move without spending a move action.
EDIT: So HERE is the rules thread that goes through pretty much the same discussion as here.
If I were using the feat and planning to use it with extracts, I would plan on the more conservative interpretation, and I would be prepared for the possibility that it eventually gets an FAQ like Accelerated Drinker that makes it not function with extracts.
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I'm saying the feat wasn't written to override this particular core rule (extracts), because it contains no language about extracts. The action of drinking something in combat is defined (as a standard, not as a move, as the feat states). The feat changes that to a swift. No other drinkable item can be drawn as part of that standard action. Using an extract is not the drink a potion action, despite the similarities. If drinking a potion and drinking an extract were the same, Accelerated Drinker would work for extracts. So while an extract could fall under other potables, the action to drink a potable and to use an extract are not the same. One includes drawing the extract as part of a standard, one doesn't include drawing the potable. The feat modifies the action that doesn't include drawing the item.
The other argument, which the FAQ on Accelerated Drinker supports, is that you can't drink an extract with Potion Glutton at all, but I think the feat is worded in a way that you technically can. It just doesn't go so far as to call out extracts, so it's unclear where they are concerned.
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The other argument, which the FAQ on Accelerated Drinker supports, is that you can't drink an extract with Potion Glutton at all, but I think the feat is worded in a way that you technically can. It just doesn't go so far as to call out extracts, so it's unclear where they are concerned.The FAQ on Accelerated Drinker is completely irrelevant to this situation, because Accelerated Drinker explicitly works on only potions.
It's relevant, because it means extracts can't be considered to work on the basis of potions being mentioned alone (as I think was argued upthread). The mention of "other potables" means that it likely technically does work, anyway. But nothing in the feat says you can draw "a potable" as part of the action of drinking it, and nothing in the rest of the PF rules says that. The FAQ on extracts says that you can draw the extract as part of the standard action of using it. If the Potion Glutton feat said you could use an extract, there wouldn't be an issue. But it doesn't say that. You're, essentially, using a different action (drink a potable) to drink the extract, and that action doesn't include the language about drawing as part of the action.
Keep in mind, even with that interpretation, it's still an incredibly powerful feat that allows you to use two extracts in one round. It just requires either that you start the round with an extract in hand or that you draw it as a move action. That still leaves you with a swift to drink it, and a standard to use another extract.
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While you're all free to interpret it that way the FAQ is pretty clear. If potion glutton cannot quicken extracts even those stored then you cannot quicken spells which require spell components. They're explicitly compared and declared equal in the FAQ.
Alchemist: What kind of action is it to use an extract, mutagen, or throw a bomb?
It is a standard action to use an extract, mutagen, or throw a bomb. This action includes retrieving the necessary materials from the alchemist's supplies, in the same manner as retrieving a material component is included in the act of spellcasting.Period. If quicken spell is a functional feat potion glutton is a functional feat. It's literally that simple.
I understand people not liking it but extracts really have nothing to do with potions as demonstrated in the accelerated drinker ruling. Extracts are alchemical spell components.
"But casting a spell is different than drinking an extract" The above FAQ states they're not.
Potion Glutton changes the "drink a potion" action (hence the wording in the normal section), so if you want to use the feat you have to follow the rules of drinking potions, not extracts.