1) Yes, unarmed attacks can be made with any part of your body.
2) Yes.
3) Yes, but I would rule the effects do not stack. If both are applied at the same time, Strong Jaw would win out.
so for 2) it if you want both punches to have a bonus you need them both boosted. Like GMW twice to get full effect for a non-monk.
2.) Yes, there is another faq talking about how unarmed strikes count as one weapon for spell effects, because casting on both hands, and feet, and head butt would be troublesome.
Here is your handy dandy FAQ for that one
3.) You can have either of those spells going, and have them affect all your attacks with a single casting. I am not familiar enough with size increase related spells to say whether you can use both at the same time though.
1) My view is, that the monk can use TWF unarmed, even combine flurry and TWF for an "additional off-hand attack" on top of the "flurry additional attack" accepting the applicable attack penalties on all attacks. If the off-hand weapon is not a monk weapon, the standard TWF penalties apply - also applying 1/2 Strength bonus to weapon damage and not increasing the BAB to monk level.
So yes, you may use a weapon in your off-hand but dont need to.
2) and 3) I go with Emparawr, I believe the wording is along the line; check and roll numerical bonuses from the same type or source do not stack. Which dont apply here
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1) My view is, that the monk can use TWF unarmed, even combine flurry and TWF for an "additional off-hand attack" on top of the "flurry additional attack" accepting the applicable attack penalties on all attacks. If the off-hand weapon is not a monk weapon, the standard TWF penalties apply - also applying 1/2 Strength bonus to weapon damage and not increasing the BAB to monk level.
That's not how it works. Flurry is a special full-attack action. TWF requires a full attack.
You cannot execute two full attacks in the same round.
Strong Jaw: deals damage as if the creature were two sizes larger than it actually is.
Lead Blades: deal damage as if one size category larger than they actually are.
So if we normally do 1d6 Strong jaw takes us to 2d6 and lead blades takes us to 1d8. Combined they take us to 2d6, because neither of them modify the base damage or the actual size of the attack. And since the base isn't changed there is nothing to stack between these two spells.
It's not a problem of 'stacking', but of wording. Both spells reference your actual size, meaning that they will simply ignore each other.
That's not how it works. Flurry is a special full-attack action. TWF requires a full attack.
You cannot execute two full attacks in the same round.
I agree, one cannot execute all flurries and another 2 attacks from TWF - which clearly would be executing two full-attack actions.
My view is, that Flurry adds extra (attack) actions just like fighting with two weapons, having high BAB, haste, Spell Combat/Strike does.
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Strong Jaw: deals damage as if the creature were two sizes larger than it actually is.
Lead Blades: deal damage as if one size category larger than they actually are.
So if we normally do 1d6 Strong jaw takes us to 2d6 and lead blades takes us to 1d8. Combined they take us to 2d6, because neither of them modify the base damage or the actual size of the attack. And since the base isn't changed there is nothing to stack between these two spells.
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That's not how it works. Flurry is a special full-attack action. TWF requires a full attack.
You cannot execute two full attacks in the same round.I agree, one cannot execute all flurries and another 2 attacks from TWF - which clearly would be executing two full-attack actions.
My view is, that Flurry adds extra (attack) actions just like fighting with two weapons, having high BAB, haste, Spell Combat/Strike does.
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Don't hold your breath FAQs are usually written to address issues with rules not being clear enough I doubt you'll get one saying you can't combine a full-attack action that is like TWF with TWF.
That's not how it works. Flurry is a special full-attack action. TWF requires a full attack.
You cannot execute two full attacks in the same round.I agree, one cannot execute all flurries and another 2 attacks from TWF - which clearly would be executing two full-attack actions.
My view is, that Flurry adds extra (attack) actions just like fighting with two weapons, having high BAB, haste, Spell Combat/Strike does.
Standing by for FAQ verification.
You can have that view, but the wording says it(FoB) is a full attack. However for the sake of argument let's say FoB just changes a normal full attack into a TWF type thing that modifies a normal full attack action. You still have the problem of Spell combat being a specific Full round action, not a full attack.
Okay so I can see that they have done an faq for this but I am still a little fuzzy on the details as I have never run an unarmed character before. Here is the faq.
Unarmed Strike: Can I use two-weapon fighting to make two unarmed strikes in one round?
Yes.
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posted Mar 26, 2014 | back to topSo that was as simple and unhelpful of an answer as they could possibly give and was apparently overwritten several times as well, so instead I have a question for clarification.
1) So if you are a Monk, regardless of whether or not you are using Flurry of Blows, you can make unarmed strikes with any part of your body.
This is incorrect. "A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet." Unless you're using another ability, you can not as a base monk use "any part of your body".
This essentially means that you entire body is treated as the Unarmed Weapon without having to use your hands. So since it requires no hands, and they say you can combine TWF and Unarmed Strikes, then you can TWF with no hands needed, just different parts of your body. Is this correct?
No. Two weapon fighting requires the full attack action. Flurry of blows requires a full attack action. You can only do one or the other.
2) This one is a little less related but still a point of confusion for me. If your unarmed strike is your whole body, and your unarmed strike as a monk counts as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon, then does it count as one weapon for the purposes of abilities that increase the effectiveness of said weapon, even if you are TWFing?
"A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons."
I think that line is self-explanatory. So, yes. If you're using two weapon fighting instead of your flurry of blows, you can cast spells on your unarmed strikes (fist, elbow, knee, foot) as if they were either weapons or natural weapons.
3) This leads me into yet another question. If your unarmed strike counts as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon, could one use both of the spells Lead Blade and Strong Jaw to increase the effective size of your Unarmed Strike?
These would not stack. They overlap. Neither spell actually increases the size of the weapon - they both treat it "as if" it was larger. Either should work just fine by itself, though.
This is incorrect. "A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet." Unless you're using another ability, you can not as a base monk use "any part of your body".
[url=http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qd3]You're wrong - the FAQ says as much: "a creature's unarmed strike is its entire body" means headbutts, stomach-bumps, butt-bumps, etc. are all legal.
No. Two weapon fighting requires the full attack action. Flurry of blows requires a full attack action. You can only do one or the other.
This isn't even what he was asking. He's asking if both his hands are holding a weapon or two weapons, can he use the feat Two-Weapon Fighting to make two Unarmed Strikes, instead of Flurry of Blows.
The answer is "yes," because every part of your body can be used to make an Unarmed Strike, not just your hands.
The answer is no, again, because you have used your "off-hand." It does not matter that you did not use your "off-limb." Using your "off-hand" is completely independent of using your "off-limb."
Scroll back up and look at the linked FAQs.
Your scenario is SPECIFICALLY disallowed via the FAQ.
If he isn't making weapon attacks then he should be able to make his attacks unarmed the FAQS are citing using the 2H Weapon not simply holding it. So yes even i'm holding a great-sword if i choose to TWF with unarmed strikes for the round instead of swinging it i'm good.
Yes, you are not considered to be using Two-Weapon Fighting unless you are gaining extra attacks. You can hold anything you wish, including weapons, in your hands and attack with other limbs.
Sorry if I was confused.
This is incorrect. "A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet." Unless you're using another ability, you can not as a base monk use "any part of your body".[url=http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qd3]You're wrong - the FAQ says as much: "a creature's unarmed strike is its entire body" means headbutts, stomach-bumps, butt-bumps, etc. are all legal.
That FAQ doesn't mean that at all. Here's the entire sentence: "Therefore, a creature's unarmed strike is its entire body, and a magic fang (or similar spell) cast on a creature's unarmed strike affects all unarmed strikes the creature makes." This FAQ also is ruled only in context to this case: the magic fang and similar spells. So, magic fang would apply to headbutts and any of the other silly items.
However, the FAQ doesn't make any changes to a monk's unarmed strike ability. Under the monk description, it explicitly says that a monk's unarmed strike ability and the benefits which go with it are limited to fist, elbows, knees, and feet.
I am pretty sure that this sentence:
However, there's no game mechanic specifying what body part a monk has to use to make an unarmed strike (other than if the monk is holding an object with his hands, he probably can't use that hand to make an unarmed strike), so a monk could just pick a body part to enhance with the spell and always use that body part, especially as the 12/4/2012 revised ruling for flurry of blows allows a monk to flurry with the same weapon (in this case, an unarmed strike) for all flurry attacks.
from the very same FAQ basically states that the body part is not defined and any part can be used. The bold part clearly trumps your argument.