Stats for werewolf in wolf form?


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Grand Lodge

The bestiary gives a fighter 2 stats as human and hybrid form but no wolf (animal) form.

Can any one tell me what the stats for the animal form would be?


Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

According to the listing in the werewolve's change shape ability, you use the rules from the polymorph spell to determine the exact effects, which does the same as beast shape II. So you gain low-light vision, scent, and trip, as well as a +2 size bonus to your Strength and a +2 natural armor bonus.

Grand Lodge

It seems really substandard compared to the hybrid form, but it seems thems the rules. It seems the wolf-man trope is what Paizo was aiming for.


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And +2 Con, another +2 Str, and DR 10/silver or 5/silver. Oh, and the natural armor bonus is that of the animal +2

See the section "Creating a Lycanthrope" in the Bestiary.


Actually according change shape (B1 page 289)

Quote:
This ability functions as a polymorph spell, the type of which is listed in the creature’s description, but the creature does not adjust its ability scores (although it gains any other abilities of the creature it mimics). Some creatures, such as lycanthropes, can transform into unique forms with special modifiers and abilities. These creatures do adjust their ability scores, as noted in their description.

they adjust their ability scores as noted in their description not adding the beast shape II bonuses on top of them.

Quote:
Ability Scores: +2 Wis, –2 Cha in all forms; +2 Str, +2 Con in hybrid and animal forms. Lycanthropes have enhanced senses but are not fully in control of their emotions and animalistic urges. In addition to these adjustments to the base creature’s stats, a lycanthrope’s ability scores change when he assumes hybrid or animal form. In human form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are unchanged from the base creature’s form. In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are the same as the base creature’s or the base animal’s, whichever ability score is higher.

Lantern Lodge

Hi, sorry for necroing this thread, but I have a question on the hybrid form for werewolves.

As quoted by Narquelion above, a werewolf in hybrid form is supposed to gain a "+2 Wis, –2 Cha in all forms; +2 Str, +2 Con in hybrid and animal forms."

However, after looking at the werewolf and werebears' ability scores in human and hybrid form in the bestiary, I noticed that they don't just gain +2 Str, +2 Con, but a much higher number.

Werewolf Human - Str 17, Dex 13, Con 14, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 8
Werewold Hybid - Str 19, Dex 15, Con 17, Int , Wis 14, Cha 8

Werebear Human - Str 16, Dex 14, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 8
Werebear Hybrid - Str 21, Dex 14, Con 19, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 8

As you can see the werewolf gains str, but also a +3 in Con and a +2 in Dex.
The werebear gains a total of +5 Str and +6 Con.

So what is the correct number?
I'm asking this as I'm planning to make a custom NPC werewolf, but I'm uncertain what is his ability score in hybrid form. Should I just follow the lycanthrope template, or use the above break down?


"In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are the same as the base creature’s or the base animal’s, whichever ability score is higher."

I think this is where you are getting tripped up. Either way, the lycanthrope entries are always a bit loopy. They always forget to change the creatures size when in a hybrid form that is larger than the base creature.

Dark Archive

Right, plus they errated the weretiger awhile back... made him less powerful than the template would make him one should be... it's errata, official... yet they haven't changed the lycanthrope rules... SO even when they errata they confuse it even more... when they errata away the +2 bonus on the weretiger entry but not any others nor on the template

I made a thread about it here with quotes from the books/errata to note where the errata breaks the rules.

Lantern Lodge

Thanks for explaining!

Totally missed the line "ability scores are the same as the base creature’s or the base animal’s, whichever ability score is higher."

FAQed the Weretiger post, not sure if they will look at it.

Edit: Understood where the weretiger got nerfed. It is a little weird.

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