Quicky on invisibility & flat footed


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Hey guys & girls,

Situation: 2 of the team are facing east.
The enemy (invisible) is behind them and proceeds, as full round action, to attack both.

The 1st is a sure hit, but is the second flat footed as well? With them not knowing the location where the enemy was (thus where the attack came from)


if the person being attacked was unaware of the enemy it would be a surprise round. Standard action only on the attackers part. Then roll initiative. If the attacker has a higher init than those being attacked he then gets a full round action and they would be flat-footed until they get to act.

Invisibility will also drop after the first attack in the surprise round.

Sczarni

Surprise round would probably consist solely of the invisible enemy moving adjacent to its unaware target. Those PCs that succeed at a reactive Perception check to notice the invisible foe get to act during the surprise round.

Roll initiative.

Assuming the invisible baddy goes first, all of its attacks will be against flat-footed AC.

The +2 from invisibility only applies to the first attack.


as claxon mantioned, unless this is greater invisability after the first attack the spell will be off.
incase of the greater spell. who ever is attacked know what square he was attacked from(as in pinpoint loaction) but then this goes like this. if the attacker moved after attacking, the target need to roll a very high perception to notice this or he can try and guess where the enemy is now. anycase since he can't see the enemy he need ot pick a square to attack and get 50% to hit if it is the right one.(unless the target has means of showing where the inviisalbe attacker is, he's best tactic is to attack the square he was attacked from, in hope that he is still there)


Actually, this is at the start of round 2 in combat.

He had gone invisible a move action's distance away and attacked them at the start of the round.


In that case, no, he wouldn't be flat footed. He's in a combat situation, so he's on his guard, and the attacker will have appeared after the first attack, so no longer gets the benefits of invisibility.

"Situation: 2 of the team are facing east.
The enemy (invisible) is behind them"
There is no facing in Pathfinder so this is irrelevant.


Then my wording was incorrect, but do you expect characters to be turning 360 like a merry-go-round? Rogues stab people in the back don't they? :)


not since 2ed.
rogues need flanking or some1 with no dex bonus(such as flat footed,blind etc). rogue go for the eyes these days ;)


Flat-footed is not the same as being denied dex, and PF has no facing.

If combat is in progress then the enemy of an invisible person has lost dex to AC meaning they can be subject to sneak attack, but after the first attack the victim can not be subject to sneak attack unless they are flanked or another means has been provided.

Sneak attack is not "back stab".


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wraithstrike wrote:
Sneak attack is not "back stab".

Manner of speech, i'm aware they use flank from sides and such.

But the question's been answered, thanks all, having unwanted situations due to misunderstandings is something i (don't we all?) want to avoid.

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