Monk's Robes and Stunning Fist vs. Elemental Fist


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I have seen this question asked and answered in the regualr Pathfinder Rules forum, but I am looking specifically for a PFS answer.

One of the abilities of a Monk's robe is: "If donned by a character with the Stunning Fist feat, the robe lets her make one additional stunning attack per day."

If a character has chosen the Monk of the Four Winds archetype and Stunning Fist is replaced with Elemental Fist, does the monk gain an extra use of Elemental Fist or is it strictly for Stunning Fist?

I am not swayed one way or another but I am getting opinions both ways from some of my players.


Dan Hackley wrote:

I have seen this question asked and answered in the regualr Pathfinder Rules forum, but I am looking specifically for a PFS answer.

One of the abilities of a Monk's robe is: "If donned by a character with the Stunning Fist feat, the robe lets her make one additional stunning attack per day."

If a character has chosen the Monk of the Four Winds archetype and Stunning Fist is replaced with Elemental Fist, does the monk gain an extra use of Elemental Fist or is it strictly for Stunning Fist?

I am not swayed one way or another but I am getting opinions both ways from some of my players.

A Monk of the Four Winds is normally not a character with the Stunning Fist feat...therefore, this quality of the Monk's Robe does nothing.

EDIT:Tangetially related FAQ

I'd see this as the second example given. This replaces Stunning Fist, but otherwise does not reference Stunning Fist at all.

Silver Crusade

archetype link

PRD wrote:
Elemental Fist (Su): At 1st level, a monk of the four winds gains Elemental Fist as a bonus feat, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. At 5th level, and every five levels thereafter, the monk increases the damage of his Elemental Fist by 1d6 (2d6 at 5th level, 3d6 at 10th level, and so on). This ability replaces Stunning Fist.
PRD, Ultimate Equipment wrote:

MONK'S ROBE

Price 13,000 gp; Aura moderate transmutation; CL 10th; Weight 1 lb.
When worn, this simple brown robe confers great ability in unarmed combat. If the wearer has levels in monk, her AC and unarmed damage are treated as a monk of 5 levels higher. If donned by a character with the Stunning Fist feat, the robe lets her make one additional stunning attack per day. If the character is not a monk, she gains the AC and unarmed damage of a 5th-level monk (although she does not add her Wisdom bonus to her AC). This AC bonus functions just like the monk's AC bonus.

As Kevin said above, the Monk of the Four Winds does not have the Stunning Fist Feat.

Edit: formatting


There is no PFS specific answer because PFS defaults to the written rules.

You can still take the Stunning Fist feat normally to get the item to work. Bit of an extra cost.

-j

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