[Kickstarter] Pact Magic Unbound: Grimoire of Lost Souls project is LIVE!


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Alright, looks like I'm in. :)


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Amora Game wrote:
Pledged. Also sent a notice to backers of LIC.

Nice one! :)

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Amora Game wrote:
Pledged. Also sent a notice to backers of LIC.

I saw! Thank you! We've gotten a few folks today, so it seems to be working. :)

I'm also doing a magazine interview for Pathways and am also in-progress of working something out with GMS.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Alright, looks like I'm in. :)

Huzzah! Welcome to the club!

The OCCULT club.

Now read Update #10 so you can help your fellow occultists unlock the current Secret Stretch Goals!


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DriveThru & RPGnow are part of the same thing so it looks like something might have gone wrong with your email blast. If enough time has passed since the last one you might want to try again.


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The Kickstarter doesn't advertise that, "All the old stuff I've ever done with Pact Magic," is in the compilation. It says right on the tin what you're getting: Vol 1 and Vol 2 plus 120+ pages of NEW stuff. To randomly throw in Occult Options 1 would likely upset some people, and I can understand why. It would also be false advertising. If I'm copy/pasting the material from something I did independently of Radiance House, its not exactly, "new material," Regardless, adding Occult Options isn't something that I'm willing to do unless I decide that I absolutely have to..

How about making it an add-on for the kickstarter then? It seems a natural thing for people to buy.

Also a question is Loves tapestry going to be available in print (maybe as a stretch goal) or is it PDF only?

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The Kickstarter doesn't advertise that, "All the old stuff I've ever done with Pact Magic," is in the compilation. It says right on the tin what you're getting: Vol 1 and Vol 2 plus 120+ pages of NEW stuff. To randomly throw in Occult Options 1 would likely upset some people, and I can understand why. It would also be false advertising. If I'm copy/pasting the material from something I did independently of Radiance House, its not exactly, "new material," Regardless, adding Occult Options isn't something that I'm willing to do unless I decide that I absolutely have to..

How about making it an add-on for the kickstarter then? It seems a natural thing for people to buy.

Also a question is Loves tapestry going to be available in print (maybe as a stretch goal) or is it PDF only?

I'm not sure about Love's Tapestry. I'll ask Dario.


Only 130.00 more to go before color! Woot!


Guysngals, we are $65 and 1 member of the Pact Magic Facebook group from achieving full colour and more organisations in the book. Keep up the great effort! :) Nearly there!

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ericthecleric wrote:
Guysngals, we are $65 and 1 member of the Pact Magic Facebook group from achieving full colour and more organisations in the book. Keep up the great effort! :) Nearly there!

More Organizations are officially unlocked!

Now you just have to unlock the Lovecraftian ones; THOSE ones are extra cool! :D


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Sorry.... I couldn't help myself. I bumped it up to the $6,000 mark. Yay!... Though I'm guessing the color is only for the print version... Anyway, I'm still happy to support you guys.


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I bumped it up to the $6,000 mark. Yay!

Nice.


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Glad to see that we are up to color. Now we need to get to the prestige classes & lovecraftian organizations. I'm doing what I can for both (I got at least 2 friends to join the pact magic group). Hopefully some more of everyman gamings pdf will be available as add-ons so I can put some more in there.

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WE DID IT!

$6,000! We officially have enough for the color artwork! Now all funds that Dario and I get from here on out go towards improving the quality of that artwork.

Also, thanks to a very generation donation from Jonathan Nelson, I'm pleased to report that I'm able to offer a free 1-month subscription to AdventureAWeek to all Grimoire of Lost Souls backers that pledge $15 or more! Backers don't need to do anything special; you get it for FREE when the Kickstarter ends, as long as you've pledged $15 or more.


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Well in case anyone was wondering we have proof that Alexander is listening to what the backers want. There is now a new pledge tier for those who want both his & Darios signatures.

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Arcanic Drake wrote:
Sorry.... I couldn't help myself. I bumped it up to the $6,000 mark. Yay!... Though I'm guessing the color is only for the print version... Anyway, I'm still happy to support you guys.

Nope. EVERYTHING is in color, print AND pdf.

Basically, we wanted $6,000 so we could afford to commission the artwork we want in color. Now that we've reached that goal, there's no reason to make the PDF color-only.

And thank you for your timely assistance! We couldn't have reached this monumental goal without you. ;-)

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Silver Griffin wrote:
Well in case anyone was wondering we have proof that Alexander is listening to what the backers want. There is now a new pledge tier for those who want both his & Darios signatures.

Been talking to Dario, and I'm 99% sure that we're going to add the spirit cards as a future add-on next. With the caveat that they likely won't be ready until the end of the year at the soonest.


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Good news for fans of his non-pact magic product who don't already have them all. They are now available as add-ons & if you already have $50 or more in this you can get them all for just $ 20. If you have any doubts about the quality of this work check out the reviews on his Kitsune compendium, psychological combat & leadership books. This means if you pass the above marker you can get all the products past & the rest of the year for $ 45.

If you are only interested in the pact magic stuff it means that you can get binder secrets # 1 which is only partially in the new book.


So I already pledged intending to the select the add-on for the 2015 catalog of products, including three of the products offered in this latest add-on.

So for me, this bundle offer, generous as it is, doesn't work. I'm already getting three of the titles ($11 at the discounted price) and the remaining titles only cost $16 (again, at the discounted rate). I may - probably will - take advantage of the better pricing for the titles I would not receive otherwise, but I will pass on the bundle.

(Mind you, I'm not pledging at the $50 level because I don't have the room for more physical books, so I'm not eligible, anyway.)

I'm not knocking the generosity of the offer, but I thought I should point this out in case you wanted to modify the offer for those that are looking for the whole Everyman catalog through the end of this year.

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Hi, I'm the guy before the guy who pushed it over $6000 (I think it went to $5990 or so after mine. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I pledged right for what I want. I wanted to get the $50 package (print/pdf) plus the Age of Electrotech $17 (print/pdf). So I pledged at the $50 level, and then manually typed in $67 instead of $50 for the amount. There didn't seem to be anywhere to actually select the add-ons, so I just wanted to make sure that I did that right.


@Duiker: After the Kickstarter completes, there will be a survey sent out where you can specify the add-ons you had in mind for that other $17.

Or that's what I expect after seeing other Kickstarters play out. I'm waiting for much the same thing - I've made plans for many more add-ons here than I generally do. If they add one more possible, I may have to stop monitoring Kickstarter altogether until this one is complete!

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AinvarG wrote:

So I already pledged intending to the select the add-on for the 2015 catalog of products, including three of the products offered in this latest add-on.

So for me, this bundle offer, generous as it is, doesn't work. I'm already getting three of the titles ($11 at the discounted price) and the remaining titles only cost $16 (again, at the discounted rate). I may - probably will - take advantage of the better pricing for the titles I would not receive otherwise, but I will pass on the bundle.

(Mind you, I'm not pledging at the $50 level because I don't have the room for more physical books, so I'm not eligible, anyway.)

I'm not knocking the generosity of the offer, but I thought I should point this out in case you wanted to modify the offer for those that are looking for the whole Everyman catalog through the end of this year.

I'll see what I can figure out. Being able to buy everything I've done plus the catalog is something that backers should be able to do.

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Hi, I'm the guy before the guy who pushed it over $6000 (I think it went to $5990 or so after mine. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I pledged right for what I want. I wanted to get the $50 package (print/pdf) plus the Age of Electrotech $17 (print/pdf). So I pledged at the $50 level, and then manually typed in $67 instead of $50 for the amount. There didn't seem to be anywhere to actually select the add-ons, so I just wanted to make sure that I did that right.

Kickstarter actually doesn't have add-on managing infrastructure built into its coding despite how integral to the experience add-ons have become. Dario and I will be sending out a survey after the Kickstarter ends to allow backers to finalize their orders. In the meantime, you did everything correctly.


Anybody willing to DM for a Pbp after the material comes out? If there is, I'm thinking either pure Occultist or Occult scholar (since I don't have a group currently that can try this..). Anyway, I would like to see some of the new material in action and what better way to do that than to have a group of us supporters getting together online and hashing it out. What do you guys say?


Any word on how many more subs / likes we need to try for before possibly unlocking Lovecraftian content?

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Third Mind wrote:
Any word on how many more subs / likes we need to try for before possibly unlocking Lovecraftian content?

We're still sitting at 209, so 41 more.

Of course, there could be some pending (I think Dario has to actively confirm Likes to prevent phishing attempts or something), which is tricky because Dario is the one in control of the group and he's at a seminar in San Francisco until tomorrow (possibly Thursday).

I pinged him if there are people to add and I'll report back with an update when I know more.


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Luthorne wrote:
I'm not Alex, but I can say that as things are currently, the only spirit that grants telekinesis is Noble Marius from Pact Magic Unbound, Vol. 2, who allows you to use telekinesis as per the spell 3 + Charisma modifier times per day. If you have Occult Options, Issue #1: Binder Secrets, you can add three uses per day of any minor ability that has a limited number of uses per day, raising that to 6 + Charisma modifier. I believe the only spirits that grant flight to the one they are bound to are N’alyia and Serapith, though both have minutes per level, though I believe you can gain access to various vestigial companions that have flight.

Ah. Many thanks. I've been using the PFSRD up until now (that's how I found the product and what pushed me to back this book), and they don't show vol. 2 material (which is fine). When the play test comes out, I'll give Marius a look as well as N'alyia and Serapith for flight. I suppose though, if I didn't mind turning into a bird, I could use Fey Baraddu for the flight. Could only melee as a bird admittedly, but long term flight is long term flight.

Thanks again.

Oh, yeah, I forgot that also in Occult Options, Issue #1: Binder Secrets, you can select a binder secret that lets you trade a constellation aspect or monstrous aspect for a set of wings for the duration of the binding, but need to be 9th level. Gets you a 30 ft. fly speed with average maneuverability that shoots up to a 60 ft. fly speed with good maneuverability at 11th. No limits on how long you can use it. If you don't mind boosting the DC to shoot for what would normally be a constellation aspect or giving up a constellation aspect, it's a nice selection.

(PS: That was a hint you should totally snag it as an add-on if you haven't already. ;) )


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Of course, there could be some pending (I think Dario has to actively confirm Likes to prevent phishing attempts or something), which is tricky because Dario is the one in control of the group and he's at a seminar in San Francisco until tomorrow (possibly Thursday).

Fair enough. I doubt it moved all that much since then. I'll have to see if I can get a few friends to get in on the group.

Luthorne wrote:
(PS: That was a hint you should totally snag it as an add-on if you haven't already. ;) )

Pretty tempting. I'll definitely consider it. It is just a dollar after all.. On the other hand I have no idea how to retroactively add money to my current backing on Kickstarter. First project I've backed on kickstarter, so I'm new to most of it.


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Third Mind wrote:
Luthorne wrote:
(PS: That was a hint you should totally snag it as an add-on if you haven't already. ;) )
Pretty tempting. I'll definitely consider it. It is just a dollar after all.. On the other hand I have no idea how to retroactively add money to my current backing on Kickstarter. First project I've backed on kickstarter, so I'm new to most of it.

Well, not that I'm saying you have to, but if you want to, here's how: if you go over to the right side near the top, it should read something like "You're a backer! You pledged $[???]. Manage." If you click the 'Manage' button, you can change how much you chose to donate, or pick a different reward, etc.


@Third Mind, to expand on Luthorne's description: You only say how much at this point. After the Kickstarter completes, you will have an opportunity (via survey) to indicate what you want that extra dollar to be used for.


Thanks for the help everyone. I think I'll probably end up doing it. That said, to Alexander, will the Occult Options Issue #1 synergize well with whatever changes were made for the Grimoire of Lost Souls book? Just asking since I know you tweaked a lot of stuff, I wasn't sure if the Occult Options would mesh well with the new changes.

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Third Mind wrote:
Thanks for the help everyone. I think I'll probably end up doing it. That said, to Alexander, will the Occult Options Issue #1 synergize well with whatever changes were made for the Grimoire of Lost Souls book? Just asking since I know you tweaked a lot of stuff, I wasn't sure if the Occult Options would mesh well with the new changes.

Short answer, yes. Occult Options #1 was sort of the golden standard of power for all of the Grimoire's binder secrets, so don't be surprised if you see some favorite binder secrets from Vol 1 and 2 get adjusted to match that power level. For 90% of secrets, this resulted in a direct power up OR in the secret staying in the same vein of power. The only secret that I can actively remember getting a teeny bit worse was the pact poltergeist spirit, but even then that only happened via clarification of rules text, not because I made the option worse.


Great. As long as the old book (Occult Options) and the new book (Grimoire of Lost Souls) will still mesh together, I think I'm definitely in. Thanks for the info.


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Microsized Adventures ($5)

The price for Microsized Adventures as an add-on is the same (actually one cent more) as the normal price. All the other PDF add-ons are slightly cheaper than their normal prices. Is this intentional?


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Third Mind wrote:
Any word on how many more subs / likes we need to try for before possibly unlocking Lovecraftian content?

We're still sitting at 209, so 41 more.

Of course, there could be some pending (I think Dario has to actively confirm Likes to prevent phishing attempts or something), which is tricky because Dario is the one in control of the group and he's at a seminar in San Francisco until tomorrow (possibly Thursday).

I pinged him if there are people to add and I'll report back with an update when I know more.

Sorry I can't help more with that... I might be able to get my brother to join though...

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Microsized Adventures ($5)
The price for Microsized Adventures as an add-on is the same (actually one cent more) as the normal price. All the other PDF add-ons are slightly cheaper than their normal prices. Is this intentional?

No. I could have sworn that one was $5.99, but its $4.99. I'll fix it today. (It'll be $4).


By my calculations we need $1375 for the Occult Prestige goal and 38 Pact Magic Group Subscriptions for the Occult Community secret stretch Goal.

Lets keep up the good work.

Also, what do you guys think about the proposed card formats?


Proposed formats for the cards? I think originally I was going to prefer something like the suggested, "One card per spirit; name, constellation, and seal on the back, other rules on the front. Brief listing of totems and powers (names only, not full rules text). No mention of vestigial companion, favored allies, or favored enemies." but then re-reading it, it doesn't go all that in depth in the abilities (which is understandable given the allotted room). The thing is, I feel the abilities detailed, the DC of the Spirit, Name and things like the favored ally and enemy are the important bits. The two card option may be what I'm looking for then, but then if I have say 3 spirits on me at the time; I've got 9 cards to keep handy (which may not be much at all). It's a tough formatting problem to consider. I think I'd prefer 1 card per spirit, but on the other hand, I'd most want semi-detailed abilities to reference quickly.

I'm all for the seals. I'd love to see them. However, I don't think I need to be reminded what they look like for gameplay purposes personally. That's just me though.

9 days to go and still $1375 more to hit. It may not hit it, that being said, I do hope it keeps climbing so that Alexander and Dario can get the best art they can manage. I still have to try and push some friends into checking out and trying to join the facebook part.


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As far as cards go I much prefer the idea of one per card. I would rather that the favored allies & enemies be put on their than a picture of the seal if there isn't enough room.

Hey Alex any word on an updated option to combine buying the old catalog as well as the new stuff coming out?

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Silver Griffin wrote:

As far as cards go I much prefer the idea of one per card. I would rather that the favored allies & enemies be put on their than a picture of the seal if there isn't enough room.

Hey Alex any word on an updated option to combine buying the old catalog as well as the new stuff coming out?

None yet. Still working on it. This week has been very busy, as have every week since the Kickstarter launched. T_T

Today I started working on cleaning up the Esoteria chapter in preparation for its side-grade to Chapter 8 status. Trying to make sure the document that I give to backers for playtesting when the Kickstarter ends looks nice, you know?


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Well, don't hurt yourself and take your time. I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that we appreciate the time you put into this and we are grateful for the time you take to update us on what's happening.


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I will second arcanic drake in saying that we appreciate the time that you are putting into this.


Shouldn't be more than one card per spirit, IMO; that would just drive the cost up. As others have said, the seal isn't important for ingame use, if they (the cards) are used for quick reference purposes.


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Are the cards going to be double sided or just have the info on one side? Putting the seal,totems, pact making dc & constellation on one side & powers enemy/ally on the other might make it easier to do 1 spirit per card.

Also for the PDF I suggest there be a blank card with the formatting already there so we can print out spirits there not from the book. Either our own or ones from future stuff you do or even third party stuff.


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You might want to put some of the previews (like aging) that you have posted on facebook available though the kickstarter page. It might seem lazy but people will put off checking things off if they have to go though multiple steps & we want to get as many people interested in this as possible.


Well quite apart from the secretive nature of the running of the KS, which is I guess par for the course given the nature of the theme - secret or esoteric knowledge - but again I can only guess it is imperative to plaster content previews ON the KS page rather than FB.

For someone like me who is completely unfamiliar with Radiance House or Pact Magic, the KS page is an exercise in viewing a clique - there is no explanation on the actual KS page of what Pact magic actually is - just links to the original products - and the video merely shows that the creators have a bunch of fans who will support them further. For all the commentary on broadening the social network of Pact Magic/for Radiance House I was struck how non-inclusive the project actually felt.

Stretch goal information has been guarded, other updates hidden behind backer-only walls, "extra special backers" are chosen through an arcane system whereby the creators are impressed with some aspect of your participation.

I'd really like to see basic information on Pact Magic basics on the front page of the KS. It intrigues, but also feels a little exclusive.


Ocean, sorry that you feel that way. I'm sure that there is no attempt to make it feel exclusionary. Personally, I wish that there were at least ten times as many backers so that it was more mainstream within the Pathfinder game! ;)

Pact magic as a game concept was originally introduced as the binder class in the 3.5 Tome of Magic. It's a class where you can bind one or more spirits to you each day. Each spirit offers a range of supernatural abilities. There are different themes to each of the spirits; for example, there are angel spirits, fiend spirits, tree spirits (which reflect themes of nature), dragon spirits, and so on. It's an intriguing class and the binder was one of my favourites from the 3.x era.

Here's a link to the class on d20pfsrd. For some reason the link for the individual spirits doesn't work for me.

Here's a guide that someone wrote about it. Note that it doesn't include all the volume 2 spirits.

Hope that helps. :)


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Well quite apart from the secretive nature of the running of the KS, which is I guess par for the course given the nature of the theme - secret or esoteric knowledge - but again I can only guess it is imperative to plaster content previews ON the KS page rather than FB.

For someone like me who is completely unfamiliar with Radiance House or Pact Magic, the KS page is an exercise in viewing a clique - there is no explanation on the actual KS page of what Pact magic actually is - just links to the original products - and the video merely shows that the creators have a bunch of fans who will support them further. For all the commentary on broadening the social network of Pact Magic/for Radiance House I was struck how non-inclusive the project actually felt.

Stretch goal information has been guarded, other updates hidden behind backer-only walls, "extra special backers" are chosen through an arcane system whereby the creators are impressed with some aspect of your participation.

I'd really like to see basic information on Pact Magic basics on the front page of the KS. It intrigues, but also feels a little exclusive.

Well, you can start off by looking at the occultist which Radiance House has allowed to be put up on the Pathfinder SRD, as well as some of the details on pact magic, a list of the spirits from the first book, and so on and so forth. You should be able to get the general gist of how pact magic works from there, though if you would like some more information, I think many of us would be happy to help.


Ok, thanks etc and Luthorne.

I have seen the Occultist on the d20PFSRD.

I think my main gripe was the assumed knowledge - there is no discussion of what Pact Magic is on the KS or in the video, just its history as a product, and how awesome it will be.

I don't think it is supposed/intended to be exclusionary, and likely many people won't see it that way (like, maybe…all the backers! Good to see color art was reached btw) but that's how it appears to me.


OSW makes a great point that I want to add to - I am not and will not be on FB. That did not stop me from backing the project, but it did not help.

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