a 20th level monk using flurry of blows gets seven attacks: +18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3.
using one ki point gives one extra attack at highest bonus: +18/+18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3.
using medusa's wrath against a target that is dazed, flat-footed, paralyzed, staggered, stunned, or unconscious gives two extra attacks at highest bonus: +18/+18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+8/+8/+3.
that's nine attacks.
in one round.
please tell me i'm missing something.
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Nope, it's ten attacks, then add Haste for one more.
please tell me i'm missing something.
[joke]Most likely, CR 20 creatures have an AC of ~40![/joke]
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But nope, that is how it works!
You're missing the obvious.
"How am I, as a Monk, making someone Dazed, Flatfooted, Staggered, or Stunned" (Paralyzed and Unconscious are moot points...just Coup de Grace).
Stunning or Dazing Fist? Please. Most creatures will pass that save on a 2.
Gorgon's Fist? You need those extra attacks to begin to make up the damage lost for spending TWO ROUNDS to set up the staggered condition (and again, with a save most things will pass on a 2...).
Your best shot is as a Flowing Monk so you can make people Flatfooted reliably, but even then for the cost of 3 Feats? Ehhhh....
And make all of them/crit all of them as one using Pummeling style.
meaning, if i'm interpreting pummeling style correctly, if all nine attacks hit and at least one is a critical, then base damage is 36d10 (2d10 base x nine attacks = 18d10 doubled for pummeling critical = 36d10).
once again, i must be missing something.
What you are missing is that at level 20, you had to play a monk for 19 levels.... You DESERVE to do this.
Also at 20 many martial classes can do as much or more.
And make all of them/crit all of them as one using Pummeling style.meaning, if i'm interpreting pummeling style correctly, if all nine attacks hit and at least one is a critical, then base damage is 36d10 (2d10 base x nine attacks = 18d10 doubled for pummeling critical = 36d10).
once again, i must be missing something.
The issue is that you are looking at damage potential on optimal conditions (i.e. assuming everything in your full attack will hit and Medusa's Wrath is available), not using a formula for DPR. Based on the AC of the enemy you are facing and your actual attack bonuses for all those attacks, you may be doing much less than you think.
Or just get someone else to do that part for you (namely Sir Dazy Blastington the Evoker).
Because what I want to do is spend 3 Feats to be reliant on someone else in the party setting me up to spike the ball, when I could spend those Feats on something that doesn't suck in 90% of circumstances instead. Clearly.
With pummeling style though and that many attacks your chance for a crit is much higher. So you do not have to worry too much about the reduced bab.
This is why "Flurry of Misses" is a phrase.
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Or just get someone else to do that part for you (namely Sir Dazy Blastington the Evoker).Because what I want to do is spend 3 Feats to be reliant on someone else in the party setting me up to spike the ball, when I could spend those Feats on something that doesn't suck in 90% of circumstances instead. Clearly.
Well, as we've established it only takes one feat, that's making it nicer. Note also that the other bonus feats are rather situational as well, making this (given that the requisite conditions are what many spellcasters like to use at least on occasion) a viable option among them. Improved Critical, though, could be useful all of those Pummelers out there. Thus, I think that party casters inflict these conditions (whether to help the monk or just while doing their own thing) way more than 10% of the time. By that level, any Evoker of mine would have Spell Perfection (Dazing Cold Ice Strike is my personal preference).
Like any TWFer in terms of accuracy, only more so I suppose. Flurry of Misses has been known to show itself at unfortunate moments. That's why mythic monks are so cool.
The Witch casts Screech while the enlarged, Combat-Reflexive Flowing monk is in the middle of the enemy. He hits them all with Unbalancing Counter, and they're all nice and flat-footed. Then the Arcane Trickster Sneak Attack Fireballs them. Or Medusa's Wrath. Well, that was fun.
Nope, it's ten attacks, then add Haste for one more.
Nope. Granted, all nine attacks hitting is not so likely.
against a target that is dazed, flat-footed, paralyzed, staggered, stunned, or unconscious... they might!
And you are missing from your list a +13 I think.
yep, good catch.
Yes it does.Nope, it's ten attacks, then add Haste for one more.haste doesn't stack.
wow, i stand corrected. thank you for the clarification.
You're missing the obvious.
"How am I, as a Monk, making someone Dazed, Flatfooted, Staggered, or Stunned" (Paralyzed and Unconscious are moot points...just Coup de Grace).
Stunning or Dazing Fist? Please. Most creatures will pass that save on a 2.
Gorgon's Fist? You need those extra attacks to begin to make up the damage lost for spending TWO ROUNDS to set up the staggered condition (and again, with a save most things will pass on a 2...).
Your best shot is as a Flowing Monk so you can make people Flatfooted reliably, but even then for the cost of 3 Feats? Ehhhh....
Use all of your non-bonus feats to get Cornugon Smash and Shatter Defenses.