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I'm making sure I make a Kitsune, Tengu, Nagaji, and a Wayang. JUST IN CASE they wind up shifting to being boon races. (Again, in the case of all but Tengu)
As far as the Aasimar and Tieflings go, I guess it was relevant that they could be selectable with the whole Worldwound thing going on. Unless I'm mistaken.
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I think That the PFS team made a mistake taking Teifling and AAsamir away
neither race is game breaking in anyway. I oppose boons for races because it discriminates Against those of us who cannot afford to go to conventions.
AN easy way to balance outsider races would be to include all of them but
require them to have 4 chronicles for levels 1 and 2.
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I think That the PFS team made a mistake taking Teifling and AAsamir away
neither race is game breaking in anyway. I oppose boons for races because it discriminates Against those of us who cannot afford to go to conventions.AN easy way to balance outsider races would be to include all of them but
require them to have 4 chronicles for levels 1 and 2.
The aasimar and tieflings themselves were just good, but the bloodlines effectively turned the two races into 14, an dwere the only way to get some stat combinations. They were ousted for a good reason: half the new characters were one or the other.
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The aasimar and tieflings themselves were just good, but the bloodlines effectively turned the two races into 14, an dwere the only way to get some stat combinations. They were ousted for a good reason: half the new characters were one or the other.I think That the PFS team made a mistake taking Teifling and AAsamir away
neither race is game breaking in anyway. I oppose boons for races because it discriminates Against those of us who cannot afford to go to conventions.AN easy way to balance outsider races would be to include all of them but
require them to have 4 chronicles for levels 1 and 2.
Then make the alternate bloodlines boon-only?
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It's that they want to change things up. In another year or so, we'll lose Kitsune, Nagaji, and Wayangs, and get another set of races.
I am currently trying to figure out which dark god to make blood sacrifices to in order to make the new races be Skinwalkers, because those are awesome.
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I was glad to see them go as a standard available race. It gets boring and implausible running games for party after party comprised completely of Aasimars and Tieflings. That said, I wouldn't mind if they were available as a Scenario boon from time to time, but IMO, most characters should be from the core races in the main rulebook. Maybe a new guideline for the funky races could be created which allows you to select one non-core race for each DM star you have. That way those who help make the game fun for everyone would have the chance to pick out a couple of odd races like Ratkin, Dhampir's, etc... and try them out, without there being a tsunami of them in the general gaming pool.
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I was glad to see them go as a standard available race. It gets boring and implausible running games for party after party comprised completely of Aasimars and Tieflings. That said, I wouldn't mind if they were available as a Scenario boon from time to time, but IMO, most characters should be from the core races in the main rulebook. Maybe a new guideline for the funky races could be created which allows you to select one non-core race for each DM star you have. That way those who help make the game fun for everyone would have the chance to pick out a couple of odd races like Ratkin, Dhampir's, etc... and try them out, without there being a tsunami of them in the general gaming pool.
Yeah - some games feel like the Mos Eisley cantina.
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Not only are they stupidly powerful, especially with the variants being around, they break any scenarios that rely on spells like dominate person, charm person and the like.
only tiefligs did that ... Aasimars had an alternate racial trait called Scion of humanity - they now count as humanoid for the purposes of spells
I know I personally took it on every Aasimar I ever made since I just didnt want to deal with always checking
but yes they were overpowered - especially aasimars
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Your solution to balance a powerful race option is to give them 1/3 more WBL for the first two levels?AN easy way to balance outsider races would be to include all of them but
require them to have 4 chronicles for levels 1 and 2.
Sounds more like forcing native outsiders to take the slow XP track for their first two levels, would be more in line with his intention.
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I like race boons for uncommon races, though I sympathise with people who can't get to cons.
Playing online is always an option for almost anyone playing PFS, though I don't know if there's been any news lately on online cons? This is only a resolution where distance to a con is a factor. If it's something else, what is it? Wanting to play with your own group likely doesn't qualify as reasonable - this is organised play and you're after an uncommon character option.
Every tengu character I've seen added to the table's quality of play; aasimars and tieflings almost never did (almost always built for optimised mechanics rather than roleplay), so I'm happy to see them back on race boons only. It was cool of the Paizo crew to even keep allowing them on the boons.
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I was glad to see them go as a standard available race. It gets boring and implausible running games for party after party comprised completely of Aasimars and Tieflings. That said, I wouldn't mind if they were available as a Scenario boon from time to time, but IMO, most characters should be from the core races in the main rulebook. Maybe a new guideline for the funky races could be created which allows you to select one non-core race for each DM star you have. That way those who help make the game fun for everyone would have the chance to pick out a couple of odd races like Ratkin, Dhampir's, etc... and try them out, without there being a tsunami of them in the general gaming pool.
Is that new non-Core PCs, or including existing ones from various boons?
I have four stars, but, due to boons, a lot more than 4 non-Core PCs.
Dhampyr
Kitsune
Ifrit
Sylph
Undine
Oread
Aasimar (2)
Teifling (2)
I think that makes the rest:
Human (22 or more)
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It's that they want to change things up. In another year or so, we'll lose Kitsune, Nagaji, and Wayangs, and get another set of races.
I am currently trying to figure out which dark god to make blood sacrifices to in order to make the new races be Skinwalkers, because those are awesome.
As much as I would like a Skinwalker, I believe I saw one at the GenCon charity auction. So that means there will only ever be that one skinwalker...
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It actually just means it's unlikely. As far as I'm aware, those boons are only guaranteed to be unique for a period of a few years, not for life.As much as I would like a Skinwalker, I believe I saw one at the GenCon charity auction. So that means there will only ever be that one skinwalker...It's that they want to change things up. In another year or so, we'll lose Kitsune, Nagaji, and Wayangs, and get another set of races.
I am currently trying to figure out which dark god to make blood sacrifices to in order to make the new races be Skinwalkers, because those are awesome.
I heard the same ting. At least a year of exclusivity, then after that it's anyone's guess.
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Aasimars/Tieflings became openly available in Season 4.
Season 5 was Year of the Demon.
By Season 6 they were no longer available.
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Nagaji became openly available in Season 6.
Season 7 is Year of the Serpent.
I'm predicting that by Season 8, Nagaji will no longer be available.
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I think the Aasimar/Tiefling release and recall was planned.
Such a strategy prepares the player base to build characters well ahead of time, naturally and with no expectations, and have them available to play at all levels when the intended Season is finally released.
Or not. I think about stuff like this probably more than I should.
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Did the PFS leadership ever say that was why? I recall them saying that they just wanted to change things up to keep them fresh.They also saw a crapton of Aasimar and Tiefling characters being made. And they wanted to move the campaign away from being dominated by them.
That said, they were very generous in giving people time to grandfather them before the race availability was taken away.
Well, again, did they SAY that or is that something you've inferred?
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Ban humans, they are stupidly OP and the optimal choice for almost every single character build. I can't believe PFS management ever even let them be a legal choice. All of the alternative racial traits and glut of human-specific traits and favoured class bonuses just makes the problem even worse.
I mean, do you even know how many human characters are played in PFS? More than all the rest combined!
/tongue in cheek
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and the other was effectively killed by the Mystic Theurge FAQ change.
As long as they took at least 1 level of Mystic Theurge before the FAQ change they should be good to go. (The screwing over of current MTs was brought up in another thread, and either a developer of Mike Brock said that they were grandfathered. I forget who exactly - I just remember thinking that 'well - it's offical'.)
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You're assuming that they managed to get a level of Mystic Theurge.and the other was effectively killed by the Mystic Theurge FAQ change.As long as they took at least 1 level of Mystic Theurge before the FAQ change they should be good to go. (The screwing over of current MTs was brought up in another thread, and either a developer of Mike Brock said that they were grandfathered. I forget who exactly - I just remember thinking that 'well - it's offical'.)
No - hence my opening with the qualifier "As long as".
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No - hence my opening with the qualifier "As long as".You're assuming that they managed to get a level of Mystic Theurge.and the other was effectively killed by the Mystic Theurge FAQ change.As long as they took at least 1 level of Mystic Theurge before the FAQ change they should be good to go. (The screwing over of current MTs was brought up in another thread, and either a developer of Mike Brock said that they were grandfathered. I forget who exactly - I just remember thinking that 'well - it's offical'.)
I think you ment: As long as they have 1 (or 0,5) XP more than needed for the level of MT.
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I'm making sure I make a Kitsune, Tengu, Nagaji, and a Wayang. JUST IN CASE they wind up shifting to being boon races. (Again, in the case of all but Tengu)
Yeah, I intend to make a few 4xp characters of those races before Gencon just because I expect Paizo to take all the fun toys away without warning and with much stricter grandfathering limits this time after the abuse that happened last time and how they treated the SLA thing. Even though grinding a bunch of random characters to 2 as a just-in-case is a lot less fun than playing my actual characters, I'm kind of expected Paizo to be extremely heavy handed when they do remove those races due to the abuse from last time, and I'm worried if I don't do that, that I'll never get the chance to play them.
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Yeah - some games feel like the Mos Eisley cantina.In a far-distant alternate universe:
The powers that be decide to make all races legal for Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
Okay.
NNNOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW it looks like the Mos Eisley Cantina!
That, or multiple parties made up of nothing but Tetori Monk Succubi :)
