Multiple Gods and Divine Casters, Does it work?

[Hazrond]

I am thinking of making a very death-centric character who will be taking the Souldrinker PRC and I was thinking of taking inquisitor or warpriest and I am curious, Charon and Pharasma seem to be relatively cordial and they share a domain (the river Styx runs through the Boneyard ending at Pharasma's spire) as well as both being death gods, both can have NE clerics, is there any passage in the rulebooks stating that a divine caster can have only one patron?

[j b 200]

Nothing specific, but the Cleric section always uses the singular "Deity" or "Deity's". This strongly implies only one patron. You should ask your DM.

In setting, Charon is a Daemon, who wants to devour/destroy souls and Pharasma is all about making sure souls go where they should. They are unlikely to be on good terms.

[boring7]

Not that I recall. Seeing as how you can go WITHOUT a patron entirely.

I question how well Pharasma would like souldrinking though, seeing as how you steal souls from their destined afterlife and sell them on the open market to demons and devils.

[Hazrond]

j b 200 wrote:

Nothing specific, but the Cleric section always uses the singular "Deity" or "Deity's". This strongly implies only one patron. You should ask your DM.

good point.

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In setting, Charon is a Daemon, who wants to devour/destroy souls and Pharasma is all about making sure souls go where they should. They are unlikely to be on good terms.

out of the Horsemen, Charon from what i read is probably the least likely to be doing that, he is much like the greek Charon, ferrying souls across the styx. Also, from what i can tell he doesnt really bother with WHERE they are going, he simply takes the ones that are going to his domain (also, from what i am reading the river styx and the river of souls follow the same path, are they possibly two names for one place?)

[Hazrond]

boring7 wrote:

I question how well Pharasma would like souldrinking though, seeing as how you steal souls from their destined afterlife and sell them on the open market to demons and devils.

Well, that isnt NECESSARILY something that needs to be done, you can go well on you way with simply your energy drain and not automatically condemn them, its only if you eat a soul gem created by your cacodaemon familiar that the creature is damned, i would most likelyy stick to eating animal souls as snacks and save the soul gemming for creatures i feel are already bound for the lower planes anyways

[LazarX]

Hazrond wrote:

boring7 wrote:

I question how well Pharasma would like souldrinking though, seeing as how you steal souls from their destined afterlife and sell them on the open market to demons and devils.

Well, that isnt NECESSARILY something that needs to be done, you can go well on you way with simply your energy drain and not automatically condemn them, its only if you eat a soul gem created by your cacodaemon familiar that the creature is damned, i would most likelyy stick to eating animal souls as snacks and save the soul gemming for creatures i feel are already bound for the lower planes anyways

Pharasma is a neutral diety, her thing is making sure souls go to their proper place. to her keeping souls from going to the lower planes is no less heinous than blocking souls from reaching Heaven.

Pharasma and Daemons will NEVER see eye to eye. This is definitely in the "you can't serve two masters" category.

[Hazrond]

LazarX wrote:

Hazrond wrote:

boring7 wrote:

I question how well Pharasma would like souldrinking though, seeing as how you steal souls from their destined afterlife and sell them on the open market to demons and devils.

Well, that isnt NECESSARILY something that needs to be done, you can go well on you way with simply your energy drain and not automatically condemn them, its only if you eat a soul gem created by your cacodaemon familiar that the creature is damned, i would most likelyy stick to eating animal souls as snacks and save the soul gemming for creatures i feel are already bound for the lower planes anyways

Pharasma is a neutral diety, her thing is making sure souls go to their proper place. to her keeping souls from going to the lower planes is no less heinous than blocking souls from reaching Heaven.

Pharasma and Daemons will NEVER see eye to eye. This is definitely in the "you can't serve two masters" category.

Either way it was only an example, i am sure there are better examples out there but the question remains, are you able to have multiple patrons as a divvine caster?

[Milo v3]

Since golarion even allows worship of philosophies, I'm not sure why someone couldn't worship a pantheon.

[Goddity]

Unless you get some ridiculous bonus from it sure, why not?

[NikolaiJuno]

You can have only one patron, but you can always revere more than one deity.

[James Risner]

More than one patron is considered a pantheon and you would be worshiping the pantheon not a single god.

[Balgin]

Technically dwarven clerics in Golarion are polytheistic. They are the only known race in Golarion to do this 'though. They'll pick one member of the dwarven pantheon to worship most of the time (they don't do this with other lanky topsider faiths :p) but they each fulfill the priest's role within dwarven society.

There is a list of some ten dwarf only spells that each require (in addition to the racial requirement) being a devoted worshipper of a specific member of the dwarven pantheon. Every morning a dwarven cleric must perform a special little ritual to dedicate themselves to a particular god (or goddess) from the dwarven pantheon. This will not change their alignment. It will not change their domains. All it does it affect their access on the special list.

That's the only thing you'll get in Golarion that's close to a true pantheistic cleric. Oracles could come pretty close to the concept too. Now of course there's nothing to stop you from house ruling something in a home game :).

[James Risner]

Balgin wrote:

Every morning a dwarven cleric must perform a special little ritual to dedicate themselves to a particular god (or goddess) from the dwarven pantheon.

Link? or Book/Page number?

[Lost In Limbo]

James Risner wrote:

Balgin wrote:

Every morning a dwarven cleric must perform a special little ritual to dedicate themselves to a particular god (or goddess) from the dwarven pantheon.

Link? or Book/Page number?

I'm pretty sure it's in Dwarves of Golarion. I'm on a phone so I can't get you a page number right now.

[Lost In Limbo]

I was right about the book. Page 22 has the information in question.

[Gamerskum]

Faiths and Philosophies has Pantheon Rules as well.

[Pounce]

Adding to what Gamerskum is saying, there is a feat that showcases this a bit further.

Pantheistic Blessing

[Juda de Kerioth]

Hazrond wrote:

is there any passage in the rulebooks stating that a divine caster can have only one patron?

They don´t specify that at all, only some references.

Ask your GM if you can get a phanteon (like romans), Like in Eberron, where you can get a bunch of gods as your deities and such.

[LazarX]

Juda de Kerioth wrote:

Hazrond wrote:

is there any passage in the rulebooks stating that a divine caster can have only one patron?

They don´t specify that at all, only some references.

Ask your GM if you can get a phanteon (like romans), Like in Eberron, where you can get a bunch of gods as your deities and such.

In Eberron the pantheons were written up as though they were single dieties for that purpose.