i have no idea, and im a level 10 magus currently. i only use a one handed sowrd, not two handed. just enhance your weapon to make it stronger.
teifling whit the heritage thing to use large weapon could probably use it in one hand, dont see why tho, they get most from crit fishing.
I don't know of one, but you could attack with the sword then drop it and do the touch attack bare handed. If you're holding a charge, you could deliver it with the greatsword, the drop the sword, then do a fresh touch spell bare handed. Of course, you'd have to probably Quickdraw another weapon next round or something. If you COULD wield a two-handed weapon and still do Magus stuff, you'd want the Elven Curve Blade instead (for the added crit threat range), wouldn't you? Of course that requires a proficiency Feat I guess.
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If you COULD wield a two-handed weapon and still do Magus stuff, you'd want the Elven Curve Blade instead (for the added crit threat range), wouldn't you? Of course that requires a proficiency Feat I guess.
Funny you should bring that up - a comparatively long time ago, I wanted to do exactly that - an Elf Kensei Magus who specialized in the Elven Curve Blade, AND I tried starting a thread to get advice on doing it effectively. Any chance I could get more out of asking here and now?
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Tragically, it would not work.
To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand.
It doesn't say wielding a weapon in the other hand, it specifies light/one-handed. The one thing I'm not sure of is casting the spell than taking the scimitar or other weapon two-handed. There is an option for you, however! A two level dip in alchemist gets you an extra arm. It's DM interpretation if that still violates the light/one-handed restriction or not.
Bad news, I just doublechecked the wording in the MAgus class, and I quote:
"Spell Combat (Ex)
At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting , but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast. To us this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed weapon in the other hand...."
So no Spell Combat with two-handers, period, from what I can tell, DM fiat notwithstanding.
Edit: ninja-ed
Sure! Use a small greatsword.
No feat cost. No special ability or racial abilities required.
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Using a small greatsword would come with penalties. Nodachi is where its at if you really had to use a 2h for a magus imo.
Using a small greatsword would come with penalties. Nodachi is where its at if you really had to use a 2h for a magus imo.
The No-Dachi is neither light nor one-handed.
I guess he could use a small no-dachi.
But, just like my suggestion of a small greatsword, that would incur penalties.
I think he means that if you could use a 2hw, then nodachi would be ideal... And I agree.
Byrd's got it. It has an 18-20/x2 crit so its more ideal than a greatsword. Also, Katanas are just cooler. Pretty sure that's like a trope or something.
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You may want to talk to your DM, and see if he/she would allow the Enruned Great Weapon Magus Arcana, from the 3rd Party Publisher Super Genius Games, or perhaps later, its greater version, instead of trying to wield these weapons one-handed.
Tragically, it would not work.
To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand.It doesn't say wielding a weapon in the other hand, it specifies light/one-handed. The one thing I'm not sure of is casting the spell than taking the scimitar or other weapon two-handed. There is an option for you, however! A two level dip in alchemist gets you an extra arm. It's DM interpretation if that still violates the light/one-handed restriction or not.
While that is certainly true, there are other ways to break the action economy besides spell combat. The FAQ about free actions and removing you hand from a weapon says that you can remove a hand from a two handed weapon, cast a spell, and regrab it while still 'wielding' it throughout. This means that you can cast spells on your turn and use attacks of opportunity to attack off of your turn. So this opens up the option of making a build similar to the reach cleric from the guide section. Remember, having access to all martial weapons does not just mean the big shiny swords.
So this could be done with a bastard sword, using a free action to grip it in between casting and making your attack, then at the start of next turn free action releasing again.
EWP should not even be necessary since a character could theoretically just be willing to accept the negatives from non-proficiency which would be nullified as soon as he grips it and uses it two-handed for making an attack.
@BBT, what weapon is the best choice? Falcata? Scimitar? Rapier?
Spell criticals are limited to x2 if I remember right. So any weapon with 18-20 critical modifier would work. Scimitar's work great with magus because he always has an effectively free hand for dervish dancer.
it might sound nice to use a 2-handed weapon but dont forget once you get to BAB+6/+1 the only way to do all your attacks AND cast a spell is spell combat, and for this you need a light or one handed weapon this is not possible with anny 2-handed weapon and a bastard sword is stil a two-hander if you dont have EWP
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A Wyroot Great Terbutje is a fine choice.
A Great Terbutje is mechanically identical to a Bastard Sword in all ways.
It's ability to be made of Wyroot is a boon to the Magus.
it might sound nice to use a 2-handed weapon but dont forget once you get to BAB+6/+1 the only way to do all your attacks AND cast a spell is spell combat, and for this you need a light or one handed weapon this is not possible with anny 2-handed weapon and a bastard sword is stil a two-hander if you dont have EWP
Is a character not allowed to wield it in one hand if willing to accept the penalties?
it might sound nice to use a 2-handed weapon but dont forget once you get to BAB+6/+1 the only way to do all your attacks AND cast a spell is spell combat, and for this you need a light or one handed weapon this is not possible with anny 2-handed weapon and a bastard sword is stil a two-hander if you dont have EWPIs a character not allowed to wield it in one hand if willing to accept the penalties?
no spell combat explicetly states a light or one handed weapon.
and you need a free hand to cast the spell nobody is saying the complete round.
you can make your attacks befor or after the spell so this means they are not hapening at the same time. Wich means you can stil grip your one handed sword with 2 hands and gain 1.5 STR damage and 3 points of damage per -1ATK from powerattack.
Darkflame, the question had nothing to do with spell combat...
You can hold it but I'm not sure if you can wield it. If you did that would be a hefty penalty.
Darkflame, the question had nothing to do with spell combat...
You can hold it but I'm not sure if you can wield it. If you did that would be a hefty penalty.
I believe it's a -4 penalty to attack rolls. And the question is whether or not it is considered weilding specifically for the purpose of spell combat, since it is a one handed weapon, albeit an exotic one. Once your spell is cast, re grip and attack just like with a long sword.
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Are looking to do this with no dips?
By the way, the Bastard Sword is not the best choice for a Magus.
Or anybody else. It's simply non-optimal. If there was a way to do it without a feat...but seriously...1 point better damage than a longsword? Fighters are the only ones with enough feats that they can waste one.
It's sort of a shame. I love bastard swords.
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A Wyroot Great Terbutje is a fine choice.
A Great Terbutje is mechanically identical to a Bastard Sword in all ways.
It's ability to be made of Wyroot is a boon to the Magus.
Wow...I'm in love with wyroot. Now...are there any wood or hafted 1-h weapons that give 18-20 crits? Thanks for pointing it out!
If not, a wyroot great terbutje is so worth the feat...
A Wyroot Great Terbutje is a fine choice.
A Great Terbutje is mechanically identical to a Bastard Sword in all ways.
It's ability to be made of Wyroot is a boon to the Magus.
Wow...I'm in love with wyroot. Now...are there any wood or hafted 1-h weapons that give 18-20 crits? Thanks for pointing it out!
If not, a wyroot great terbutje is so worth the feat...
Ok, what am I missing? Can a bastard sword not be made of wyroot but this thing can? Otherwise I see no difference other than flavor.
A Wyroot Great Terbutje is a fine choice.
A Great Terbutje is mechanically identical to a Bastard Sword in all ways.
It's ability to be made of Wyroot is a boon to the Magus.
Wow...I'm in love with wyroot. Now...are there any wood or hafted 1-h weapons that give 18-20 crits? Thanks for pointing it out!
If not, a wyroot great terbutje is so worth the feat...
Ok, what am I missing? Can a bastard sword not be made of wyroot but this thing can? Otherwise I see no difference other than flavor.
It says that weapons made mostly of wood or with wooden hafts - axes, scythes, polearms, picks, staves, bows, spears, clubs, etc. Not swords, which are made of steel with some bits riveted and / or wrapped around the tang to form a hilt.
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A Wyroot Great Terbutje is a fine choice.
A Great Terbutje is mechanically identical to a Bastard Sword in all ways.
It's ability to be made of Wyroot is a boon to the Magus.
Wow...I'm in love with wyroot. Now...are there any wood or hafted 1-h weapons that give 18-20 crits? Thanks for pointing it out!
If not, a wyroot great terbutje is so worth the feat...
Ok, what am I missing? Can a bastard sword not be made of wyroot but this thing can? Otherwise I see no difference other than flavor.
The Japanese are pretty famous for their 'swords' made from wood...but if I was to stat out a bokken, I'd give it 1d6 and a crit of 20/x2. That's not the direction I'm looking for, when you consider they mockup a katana. ;)
Choose a type of martial weapon. You understand how to use that type of martial weapon in combat.
Benefit: You make attack rolls with the selected weapon normally (without the non-proficient penalty).
Normal: When using a weapon with which you are not proficient, you take a –4 penalty on attack rolls.
Special: Barbarians, fighters, paladins, and rangers are proficient with all martial weapons. They need not select this feat.
You can gain Martial Weapon Proficiency multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon.
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Choose one type of exotic weapon, such as the spiked chain or whip. You understand how to use that type of exotic weapon in combat, and can utilize any special tricks or qualities that exotic weapon might allow.
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You make attack rolls with the weapon normally.
Normal: A character who uses a weapon with which he is not proficient takes a –4 penalty on attack rolls.
Special: You can gain Exotic Weapon Proficiency multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of exotic weapon.
Okay, so for use of a bastard sword, a character should be able to as a free action let go of the weapon with the secondary hand, perform spell combat, then regrip and attack with 2 hands. During the time that the spell is being cast, the bastard sword is being treated as a one-handed exotic weapon for which you are not proficient (and thus at this time are treating it as if you would take the -4 penalty), and then when the character regrips and attacks, it is once again treated as a martial weapon and the character regains proficiency. 100% legal DM discretion notwithstanding.
Thus, for the purpose of not taking EWP, a bastard sword is above sub-optimal (may not be optimal) but it is not a bad choice if used in this way.
actualy I dont even think you need to take a -4 because when you grip a bastard sword two handed you can wield it as a martial two-handed weapon.
but I doubth you could use spell combat.
Can you cast ironwood on wyroot? The description doesn't say it can't, like with whipwood, but it doesn't say you can, like with greenwood. Anyway, if it does, I think you could hire a druid to make sword. But that would place undue burden on the GM for your swag, I suppose.
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... we can't pronounce it.
actualy I dont even think you need to take a -4 because when you grip a bastard sword two handed you can wield it as a martial two-handed weapon.
but I doubth you could use spell combat.
That's the point, un gripping and re gripping are both free actions, and the bastard sword is a one handed weapon.
Remember that schtick earlier about just gripping the longsword with your second hand and then attacking to get 1.5 STR and 1 for 3 damage from Power Attack after you use Spell Combat? Works the exact same way, and you don't need to take EWP because when you make the attack you will always be gripping it with 2 hands and be able treat it as a martial weapon by the time you attack.
The great whatever that thing is that I don't feel like scrolling up to find even though I'm going through the effort of typing this is better overall because of that material, but it requires a feat to use regardless because it does not say in its description that it can be used as a martial weapon 2 handed.
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What the hell is with the Bastard Sword Fetish anyways?
What in asscrackers gets the ladies wet, and men hard about the weapon?
My god, someone make me understand.
It's not the biggest.
It's not the most mechanically sound.
I swear, it's right there with Katana fanboys/girls in their fetishistic worship.
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What the hell is with the Bastard Sword Fetish anyways?
What in asscrackers gets the ladies wet, and men hard about the weapon?
My god, someone make me understand.
It's not the biggest.
It's not the most mechanically sound.
I swear, it's right there with Katana fanboys/girls in their fetishistic worship.
LOL!
In real life, I love 'em. I can do anything I can do with a longsword with one...and they have the reach and mass.
I'm a LARGE man.
In the game...well...they kind of suck. YMMV. :)
What the hell is with the Bastard Sword Fetish anyways?
What in asscrackers gets the ladies wet, and men hard about the weapon?
My god, someone make me understand.
It's not the biggest.
It's not the most mechanically sound.
I swear, it's right there with Katana fanboys/girls in their fetishistic worship.
You can get higher damage die without using EWP, and still use Spell Combat, that's the point.
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You can get higher damage die without using EWP, and still use Spell Combat, that's the point.What the hell is with the Bastard Sword Fetish anyways?
What in asscrackers gets the ladies wet, and men hard about the weapon?
My god, someone make me understand.
It's not the biggest.
It's not the most mechanically sound.
I swear, it's right there with Katana fanboys/girls in their fetishistic worship.
You get better crits with the scimitar, and can get to 15-20. Who doesn't want to do double damage with their spells (and weapon damage) 30% of the time?
You get better crits with the scimitar, and can get to 15-20. Who doesn't want to do double damage with their spells (and weapon damage) 30% of the time?You can get higher damage die without using EWP, and still use Spell Combat, that's the point.What the hell is with the Bastard Sword Fetish anyways?
What in asscrackers gets the ladies wet, and men hard about the weapon?
My god, someone make me understand.
It's not the biggest.
It's not the most mechanically sound.
I swear, it's right there with Katana fanboys/girls in their fetishistic worship.
I never said it was optimal, but it can still be done.
and it's only 10% more than the bastard, still significant, but it's not like the bastard can't crit either.Most of the time, the scimitar is the better option.