The Reincarnated Druid vs Damned (Diabolist and others)


Rules Questions


Here is the hypothetical:

Robert Grimdark is a Reincarnated Druid and gains Many Lives at level 5, our druid in question is Neutral Evil and worships Zon Kuthon, taking the Shade of the Uskwood feat. He uses Samsaran + Cleric (or scrolls, what have you) in order to summon a devil and tells the devil to go murder some lumberjacks or protect bambi's mom from hunters or what have you, not important. Zon Kuthon doesn't care cause he's lawful evil too and discussions of alignment will clog up the argument.

Bobby decides that worked out pretty well and decides to take a Level of Diabolist, boom he's damned! One of those lumberjack's brother is a paladin and he hunts Bobby down, a couple of smite youz later Bobby is dead.

Now what?

Reincarnated Druid Many Lives ability says Bobby would show up a day later in a new body in a safe location. It is an Extraordinary ability.

Diabolist Damned says that when a Diabolist dies they are INSTANTLY sent to hell. Get outta here, kitchen's closed unless someone makes a DC 10+bla save in order to resurrect you. It also says 'or the spell fails' does that mean that Many Lives being a Extraordinary and able to break laws of physics breaks laws of hell too?

So in order does the progression go: Dead -> Hell now -> Reincarnate one day later?

Would you allow the reincarnated druid to save against his own damnation? Of course, the devils in hell will probably see this as unlawful and cheating, and no smart devil would make a pact with a person who can get out of jail for free. Would they just torture him REALLY REALLY hard for one day?


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I'd say treat the druid as the spell caster for the purposes of the Damned ability. The druid can choose for Many Lives to activate, which would suggest that they qualify as the character trying to bring back the target.

Alternatively, you could be more literal. Many Lives causes a 'reincarnate' while Damned attempts to block 'resurrection'. In that case, Damned cannot stop raise dead or reincarnate.

However, what would be a lot of fun is to allow the reincarnate, then kicking off an entire plot line where in some powerful duke of hell comes after the druid because their soul belongs to the duke and he's unhappy at being dodged.


I would tend to agree... have him "dead" for that day, and reincarnate 1 day later. Possibly remembering some horrid fate awaiting him in hell. And with some pissed off Devils, on the rampage, for being "cheated"


Okay, thanks guys


Um... The class ability functions as the spell, so let's look at the spell...

Quote:
With this spell, you bring back a dead creature in another body, provided that its death occurred no more than 1 week before the casting of the spell and the subject's soul is free and willing to return

I bolded the important part. I have no doubt that the soul would be willing to return but free? Hahahahaha, no. You done sold yer soul, son.

In a home game, I'd let the character make the check to bring himself back to life as if he was casting the spell. If he makes it, the devil is after him now.

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