thejeff |
After reading Thor #4, I came to the conclusion that Lady Thor can be only one woman:
The Enchantress.
I haven't read #4 yet, so there may well be evidence that would change my mind, but from what I have read, her interior (thought bubble) voice doesn't match the Enchantress. Or any Asgardian, really. Going just by that, I'm assuming she's mortal.
Of course, something could have happened to the Enchantress since the last time I saw anything about her.
Benchak the Nightstalker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8 |
I've read #4, and I didn't see anything that screamed "Enchantress," but I'm not a huge-huge Thor fan (I came in at Thor: God of Thunder), so maybe it's something I missed.
Lady Thor definitely seems like a mortal, both from her pre-hammer speech font and her thought-bubble demeanor.
My money is still on Roz Solomon. She's got the romantic link with Thor, and she knows (and has beef with) Dario Agger.
DM_aka_Dudemeister |
Did we read the same comic?
This issue was about the rising madness of Odin, and the effects of a new Thor on the Agardians. Thor's identity is a mystery, and like a mystery its teasing us with hints and clues.
Yeah there was some girl-power stuff, but to be honest that's pretty rad.
thejeff |
Perhaps one of you could answer me why Frejya is Odin's wife?
This seems to be a huge change from myth.Although the comic does give a better list of who could be wielding the hammer then I came up with... did anyone else notice Loki was on the list of women Thor was romantic with?
There's a lot of overlap and confusion between Freya and Frigga in myth. Apparently in the Marvel universe as well.
Frigga is Odin's wife in the comics. Apparently she sometimes uses the name Freyja. There is also a Freyja.
Benchak the Nightstalker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8 |
Did we read the same comic?
This issue was about the rising madness of Odin, and the effects of a new Thor on the Agardians. Thor's identity is a mystery, and like a mystery its teasing us with hints and clues.
Yeah there was some girl-power stuff, but to be honest that's pretty rad.
Agreed!
Lemmy |
Crazy Odin was pretty cool...
Titania letting Thor arrest her because of "GURL POWAH!"... That's stupid. She's supposed to be a badass villain! She wouldn't surrender to Captain Marvel or Spider Woman, so why surrender to Thor just because she's female?
Freya's interaction with Thor was pretty meh too...
Aranna |
I don't know anything about Titania; Is this "Girl Power" thing unlike her? I just assumed when I read that she was some 'feminist' flavored villain. The part with Freyja seemed in character though, she was letting this new Thor know she had allies... and enemies.
I however was totally confused when Thor struck down Titania AFTER she had surrendered. That doesn't strike me as the sort of person worthy of the hammer... unless the hammer's standards are more villainous than virtuous.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
I miss Titania...didn't she die a few years back despite being the girlfriend of the most powerful being in the universe (sorta kinda)? I wouldn't say she was a joke character per se, but she's hard to take seriously unless in the hands of a talented author.
That's Volcana, created at the same time (secret wars). She recently showed up as a villian in Shulkies' book, which confused me as I saw her as a hero a few years ago.
Freehold DM |
Freehold DM wrote:I miss Titania...didn't she die a few years back despite being the girlfriend of the most powerful being in the universe (sorta kinda)? I wouldn't say she was a joke character per se, but she's hard to take seriously unless in the hands of a talented author.That's Volcana, created at the same time (secret wars). She recently showed up as a villian in Shulkies' book, which confused me as I saw her as a hero a few years ago.
Whoops....
I keep forgetting, Volcana and Titania were buddies, weren't they? Must have transposed them.
watchmanx |
Thors one of my favorite heros..i dont mind the women thor for awhile but i wish they would stop beating up on thor so much...truth is marvels big boys have been going through the wringer lately
1. caps depowered and now a old man
2. iron mans a full on villian
3. thor no hammer and no honor acting like a five year old
4. hulk is now doc green..a intelligent smart ass
looking forward to how hickman will wrap up his long story with secret wars
Lemmy |
I don't like the fact that Lady Thor captured her first super-villain... Because the villain allowed her to. It pretty much undermines the whole "girls can be badass too!" theme... It becomes a pointless exclamation of "Gurl powah!" a la Final Fantasy X-2.
It would have been better to see Titania mocking Thor, saying that she's entering the game in the shadow of someone else instead of making a name for herself (similar things have been said to other "replacement/spinoff" characters, such as Daken and Skaar)... And then Thor proves her wrong by beating the villains and showing just how badass and worthy of Mjolnir and her name she is (I still don't see why "Thor" is treated as a title, rather than a name, but I guess that's easier than making a new character... Tsc... I still want to see Lady Sif getting a greater role in the Marvel Universe... She's awesome)!
I also didn't enjoy seeing creel being defeated so easily. He's a staple villain (and really overpowered one too) and I hate seeing iconic characters being shown as weaklings. Beating Creel is no small feat. It should be a great deed that (deservedly) solidifies a hero's cred, not a throw away joke.
Could have been a cool battle... Became a nonsensical comedy scene that isn't very funny...
Jaelithe |
I must be the only person who continues to find the entire premise tiresome.
She's not Thor. She never will be.
I do think the tone expressed is that of a mortal. Jane Foster certainly has the "right" to kiss Thor in that fashion. Unless "the power of Thor" conveys skill in combat (and since it didn't for Eric Masterson, it'd be tad chauvinistic to have it do so for a woman wielder, wouldn't it?, though, doesn't this have to be someone who's a highly competent warrior?
Might be interesting to learn that Jane Foster and Sif are two sides of the same being. They shared consciousness for a while. Perhaps it's Freyja's side of the same thing Odin did with Don Blake.
Jaelithe |
Jaelithe wrote:Other than the name, what do you think of the story?I must be the only person who continues to find the entire premise tiresome.
She's not Thor. She never will be.
I'm not overwhelmed, nor am I unimpressed. I haven't found this writer the be-all and end-all most have, but he turns a nice phrase and seems to be moving along. He's made innumerable decisions I wouldn't have, and more than a few I'd categorize as mistakes, some grievous ones, but ... I'm certainly not clamoring for him to be removed from his post.
He certainly hasn't eclipsed the best Thor writers—I don't imagine anyone will ever exceed or even equal Simonson—but ... he's not the dregs, either.
thejeff |
thejeff wrote:Jaelithe wrote:Other than the name, what do you think of the story?I must be the only person who continues to find the entire premise tiresome.
She's not Thor. She never will be.
I'm not overwhelmed, nor am I unimpressed. I haven't found this writer the be-all and end-all most have, but he turns a nice phrase and seems to be moving along. He's made innumerable decisions I wouldn't have, and more than a few I'd categorize as mistakes, some grievous ones, but ... I'm certainly not clamoring for him to be removed from his post.
He certainly hasn't eclipsed the best Thor writers—I don't imagine anyone will ever exceed or even equal Simonson—but ... he's not the dregs, either.
I agree that Simonson's run was one of the best. I actually stopped following Thor regularly soon after.
I've only read a little of Jason's Thor and it's alright, but not really doing it for me. I'm checking out the current run just to see how it turns out, but I'm still really more interested in how the Odinson is coping than in the lady Thor. Hard to form much attachment to her, when we don't even know who she is.
Has that ever been done before? A headline hero where even the readers don't know the secret identity 5 books in?
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
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Has that ever been done before? A headline hero where even the readers don't know the secret identity 5 books in?
Not sure about 5 books in. Thunderbolts made it through their first issue w/o the reveal, 2nd if you count their hulk appearance (and that he slipped up and called Meteorite Moonstone.)
thejeff |
thejeff wrote:Not sure about 5 books in. Thunderbolts made it through their first issue w/o the reveal, 2nd if you count their hulk appearance (and that he slipped up and called Meteorite Moonstone.)
Has that ever been done before? A headline hero where even the readers don't know the secret identity 5 books in?
That's true.
Forgotten about those. Hopefully a very different take.Freehold DM |
thejeff wrote:Not sure about 5 books in. Thunderbolts made it through their first issue w/o the reveal, 2nd if you count their hulk appearance (and that he slipped up and called Meteorite Moonstone.)
Has that ever been done before? A headline hero where even the readers don't know the secret identity 5 books in?
Love Thunderbolts, although the more recent incarnations haven't been my thing.
ShinHakkaider |
Matthew Morris wrote:Love Thunderbolts, although the more recent incarnations haven't been my thing.thejeff wrote:Not sure about 5 books in. Thunderbolts made it through their first issue w/o the reveal, 2nd if you count their hulk appearance (and that he slipped up and called Meteorite Moonstone.)
Has that ever been done before? A headline hero where even the readers don't know the secret identity 5 books in?
Yeah the Busiek then Niceiza runs are really damn good. After that? Not so much...
Jaelithe |
Well, in my opinion, this run of Thor has become progressively less credible.
Evidently we'll learn the identity of this new thunder goddess in issue #8. Perhaps Aaron will, in one fell swoop, convince me that that all, some or one of the above is justified and/or in character.
Somehow I doubt it.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Well, in my opinion, this run of Thor has become progressively less credible.
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Evidently we'll learn the identity of this new thunder goddess in issue #8. Perhaps Aaron will, in one fell swoop, convince me that that all, some or one of the above is justified and/or in character.
Somehow I doubt it.
The most awesome recent Thor moments have come in "Time Runs Out"
LazarX |
Well, in my opinion, this run of Thor has become progressively less credible.
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Evidently we'll learn the identity of this new thunder goddess in issue #8. Perhaps Aaron will, in one fell swoop, convince me that that all, some or one of the above is justified and/or in character.
Somehow I doubt it.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Jaelithe wrote:** spoiler omitted **Well, in my opinion, this run of Thor has become progressively less credible.
** spoiler omitted **
Evidently we'll learn the identity of this new thunder goddess in issue #8. Perhaps Aaron will, in one fell swoop, convince me that that all, some or one of the above is justified and/or in character.
Somehow I doubt it.
thejeff |
Because there's a mystery going on. Odin's behaving like a idiotic jerk (which isn't really out of character for him, given the number of idiotic things he's done over the years - either to set up conflict or get himself taken out of the way)
Jaelithe |
Because there's a mystery going on. Odin's behaving like a idiotic jerk (which isn't really out of character for him, given the number of idiotic things he's done over the years - either to set up conflict or get himself taken out of the way)
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"Idiotic jerk" is, indeed, a good description, but Freya's handling of it—the droll dismissal, the sarcasm, the attempt to confront him directly as if her power rightly equals his rather than remembering that, for all that she is the queen, he is the All-Father ("All Mother" being a title they've made up during this run, and which has no real cachet for long-time readers, Aaron's ridiculous introduction of egalitarianism notwithstanding)—has been fairly stupid on the face of it, as well.
Don't get me wrong: Odin's doin' some crazy stuff, but this ain't the way to go about dealing with it.
Spoiler:As for Freya, she's been running Asgard for awhile and doing quite well at it, apparently. Odin comes back, ignores what she's done and starts tearing it down. Yeah, he gets slapped. He's needed it.
So now if we decide someone needs a slap, publicly, in our own throne room, it's justified? Bet you wouldn't take that tack if Freya had needed a good slap. Then Odin would have been being brutal, because he's a male. Can't have it both ways; it's hypocrisy.
This is why I have a problem with the entire storyline. Thor is not a woman. Odin is not stupid. Freya is not the queen of the feminists. Cul is an annoying character.
Now ... if we learn that Odin's craziness has somehow prevented him from lifting the hammer, that'll at least make some sense.
Again, Aaron's not lacking in talent, and I'm perfectly content to accept that he may pull all this together brilliantly over the next couple of issues. I'm still reading, and haven't given up hope entirely.
Aranna |
Still...
Jaelithe |
Spoiler:Well I have no idea HOW Odin is supposed to act. BUT he really DID need to be slapped and if his WIFE can't slap him then the marriage was a lie.
Spoiler:All those ex-lovers of Thor banding together seems unlikely in the extreme. Have NONE of them any feelings? They might help individually but all together like some crazy fan group?! Weird.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Aranna |
Jaelithe...
As for the fan club... if I am mistaken here it is at least partly the comics fault. I am a new reader so I can only go on what I have seen so far; Thor tells his mother yes they can have an army... because she has the bifrost and he has his list... I assume it's the same list from earlier of women who might have kissed him. Hence my confusion.
Jaelithe |
Spoiler:On the fist part. Yes I would hope that if I was acting all crazy a man I loved would have the fortitude to slap me across the face. It ISN'T an attack, it does no damage, except to the ego of the recipient. And such a thing by someone you respect or love should have the effect of causing you to step back and reconsider what it was you were doing.As for the fan club... if I am mistaken here it is at least partly the comics fault. I am a new reader so I can only go on what I have seen so far; Thor tells his mother yes they can have an army... because she has the bifrost and he has his list... I assume it's the same list from earlier of women who might have kissed him. Hence my confusion.
I find it ironic, in that I certainly think Odin and Freyja are from a culture wherein Odin would have been more than justified in smacking her back (not to mention that she assaulted the king, which might well be a punishable crime, even for the queen) ... yet Aaron has him take it, which is out of character for the jerk the All-Father's otherwise been. So, inconsistent either way.
As to the list and army ... reasonable mistake.
But "I am woman, hear me roar" has already gotten old. Time for Aaron to move on with his story.
Aranna |
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He kind lost me at the silly scene with Titania and Thor... It made NO sense. Hopefully we will see no more of that. In a way I am wondering if he isn't just toying with his readers a bit with some of this... hopefully.
phantom1592 |
I'm astounded by what I've heard about this storyline... It just sounds so ... BAD.
1) I have no problem with someone else getting to be Thor for a while.
2) I have no problem with it being it woman.
Both could have led to interesting (non-hear me roar) style stories...
But REALLY?!!? That's all they want to focus on? We don't even know WHO she really is yet?!
They could have pulled another Eric Masterson again and made it a truly memorable story. But to do that, you have to know WHO the person is without the hammer... what makes this person 'worthy' in the first place... and most importantly How suddenly gaining the power of norse god changes your life.
Man or Woman is regardless. It should be the change of 'mortal vs. god' that has the real drama.
Now it just feels that this is going down as a place holder 'attempt' to have more woman heroes... but will be instantly rebooted by the end of summer and never mentioned again. O.o
Benchak the Nightstalker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8 |
I'm not 100% on it yet, maybe they're just messing with us. But I didn't see in her in the big group shot at the end, and we know she was on the list, so...
As for the story itself, I'm still enjoying it. I have no problem with the "hear me roar" theme of the book. I'm interested to see where the crazy Odin stuff goes (easy money that Malekith is involved somehow).
Jaelithe |
One thing Aaron captures well is the ingrained malevolence of certain characters—their wholesale disregard of anything that does not advance their agenda in some fashion. Malekith is gleefully, intrinsically evil, ... and Aaron has clearly added to the character Simonson created. One can at once enjoy watching him and love to hate him. Roxxon's CEO also possesses this trait to a significant extent.
There's certainly nothing wrong with portraying women as strong, but as I pointed out above, he's gone about it largely by making men dullards and introducing an arbitrary solidarity that in general women simply don't feel, which is wholly ineffective—almost laughably so—from where I sit.
If you're not correct, Benchak, then it'll likely have to be someone out of left field, which will amuse very few readers.
Spiral_Ninja |
Saw this from Furious Fanboys today.
OK, so I was a bit annoyed by what I saw as EO gender-swapping, but if the comments on that page are true, I'm now offended!
Here's the NYT version: Female Thor
Benchak the Nightstalker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8 |
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Saw this from Furious Fanboys today.
OK, so I was a bit annoyed by what I saw as EO gender-swapping, but if the comments on that page are true, I'm now offended!
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Here's the NYT version: Female Thor
I think this is a cool twist. I originally had Jane Foster ruled out because she had cancer, I figured she was too sick to be out fighting villains and whatnot.
It turns out I was right, she is too sick to be out fighting villains, but she's doing it anyway? And the strain of it is maybe hastening her death? That's heroic shit right there, man.
This also works as a reference to the old-school Donald Blake-as-Thor stories, where he would turn back into this weak human with a crippling infirmity if he lost the hammer.
Spiral_Ninja |
Spiral_Ninja wrote:** spoiler omitted **Saw this from Furious Fanboys today.
OK, so I was a bit annoyed by what I saw as EO gender-swapping, but if the comments on that page are true, I'm now offended!
** spoiler omitted **
Here's the NYT version: Female Thor
Ah, that's better.
BTW, I thought it would be her for a specific reason: