| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I thought this was a Ring of Substinance Abuse question, and was sorely disappointed at the lack of drug rules in the post. :(
As for the actual question, they regain their abilities after two hours, just like a spell caster, but can only do it once every 24 hours. No eatta or FAQ needed.
The ring can only be used once every 24 hours, so no fight for 5 minutes sleep for 2 hours repeat.
The real value comes from carry weight, and crafting time, because for 6 hours when everyone else is asleep the spell casters can abuse downtime to craft, even on tight schedule modules.
Barbarians get a number of rounds of rage per day. When the ability says "The total number of rounds of rage per day is renewed after resting for 8 hours" it is just telling you when and how those daily uses are refreshed. But just as a barbarian can't normally sleep 8 hours, use up his rage in 4 hours, sleep another 8 hours, and use his rage again, the Ring of Sustenance does nothing to increase his daily use of rage, which is still limited per day.
Paladins do not even need to sleep 8 hours. Their Smite Evil apparently requires them to rest, but it need not be for any long length of time. Their abilities are likewise restricted by day, not by rest period.
... Where does it say that the ring of sustenance can only be used once per 24 hours?The ring can only be used once every 24 hours, so no fight for 5 minutes sleep for 2 hours repeat.
The real value comes from carry weight, and crafting time, because for 6 hours when everyone else is asleep the spell casters can abuse downtime to craft, even on tight schedule modules.
I may have been mistaken there, it seems only divines are restricted to 24 intervals between resets. Monks need 8 hours of meditation (non consecutive) so no real help there, wizards need "full rest" and 1 hour of study, Sorcerers need "full rest" for spell slots, and barbarians need "full rest" for rage reset (8 hours non consecutive).
Therefore this ring can be used for sleep cycle abuse by non divines who require a daily meditation at a set time each day (and if missed requires another 24 hours before it can be refreshed again) and 1 hour or preparation:Clerics meditate or pray for their spells. Each cleric must choose a time at which she must spend 1 hour each day in quiet contemplation or supplication to regain her daily allotment of spells. Time spent resting has no effect on whether a cleric can prepare spells. A cleric may prepare and cast any spell on the cleric spell list, provided that she can cast spells of that level, but she must choose which spells to prepare during her daily meditation.
So since paladins are like clerics for spell renewal, sleep has no effect.
So since the ring reduces 8 hours of rest needed to 2, then in 3 hours most classes can be reset.
Can you show a rules quote that actually state this or are you just assuming? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you from a RAI perspective, but this is the rules forum so if you make the claim that it is RAW then you need to back it up, because I haven't been able to find such a rule (Although I will admit that I may have missed it).I thought this was a Ring of Substinance Abuse question, and was sorely disappointed at the lack of drug rules in the post. :(
As for the actual question, they regain their abilities after two hours, just like a spell caster, but can only do it once every 24 hours. No eatta or FAQ needed.
Nope. You're right and I retract my statement as any sort of RAW.
So since the ring reduces 8 hours of rest needed to 2, then in 3 hours most classes can be reset.
No, they can't.
This allows a spellcaster that requires rest to prepare spells to do so after only 2 hours, but this does not allow a spellcaster to prepare spells more than once per day.
Emphasis mine.
Now if you want to argue that it doesn't limit monks/barbarians/non-casters to once per day (aside from the fact that all those class abilities specifically specify a per day or fixed time of reset), then I'll argue that the ring also makes no mention of helping non-casters get a 2 hour rest benefit.
Even if you could convince people that you could regain all your rage abilities or other class abilities any good GM should respond by messing with your rest periods if you are still in a dungeon or other dangerous place.
That pair of trolls you were supposed to fight in the next room might attack now when you only have one sentry awake. Or maybe the other monsters left when they found out powerful adventurers (that might kill them) are nearby.
While you were mistaken in saying that the ring cannot be used more than once per day, RumpinRufus has shown us that all the mentioned abilities are either per day (which means they can be reset only once per 24 hours) or refreshes at a specific time after a full rest (such as monk ki points).... Where does it say that the ring of sustenance can only be used once per 24 hours?The ring can only be used once every 24 hours, so no fight for 5 minutes sleep for 2 hours repeat.
The real value comes from carry weight, and crafting time, because for 6 hours when everyone else is asleep the spell casters can abuse downtime to craft, even on tight schedule modules.I may have been mistaken there, it seems only divines are restricted to 24 intervals between resets. Monks need 8 hours of meditation (non consecutive) so no real help there, wizards need "full rest" and 1 hour of study, Sorcerers need "full rest" for spell slots, and barbarians need "full rest" for rage reset (8 hours non consecutive).
Therefore this ring can be used for sleep cycle abuse by non divines who require a daily meditation at a set time each day (and if missed requires another 24 hours before it can be refreshed again) and 1 hour or preparation:
Clerics meditate or pray for their spells. Each cleric must choose a time at which she must spend 1 hour each day in quiet contemplation or supplication to regain her daily allotment of spells. Time spent resting has no effect on whether a cleric can prepare spells. A cleric may prepare and cast any spell on the cleric spell list, provided that she can cast spells of that level, but she must choose which spells to prepare during her daily meditation.So since paladins are like clerics for spell renewal, sleep has no effect.
So since the ring reduces 8 hours of rest needed to 2, then in 3 hours most classes can be reset.
I have not seen anything that states clearly once per day means once per 24 hour period, the closest I have found is for wizards, a spell slot is considered refreshed for that day only after 8 hours of rest and a minimum of 8 hours since casting, otherwise it is considered renewable. thus a wizard could cast a spell slot, sleep for 8 hours and study for 15 minutes and regain the slot.
It is my opinion that once per day means 8 hours since last use, if the user also has sufficient rest. As spellikes, and natural abilities are the same as spells they have the same 8 hour caveat.I really would like to see where once per day is defined, and would happily concede if that can be shown. I actually could use this in my own games where the players have mythic sustenance on half the party.
| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
I have not seen anything that states clearly once per day means once per 24 hour period
Are you seriously arguing that since the core rulebook hasn't strictly defined "day" that we have no idea what they could possibly mean?
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I have not seen anything that states clearly once per day means once per 24 hour period
Last I checked, a day was 24 hours long. If this has changed, where can I find this new information?
|
Mark Seifter clarified in THIS thread that you can only benefit from a Ring of Sustenance once per day (no different from resting for 8 hours).
For what it's worth my groups played with an 8 hour rest reset period on class abilities for years in 3.x. We based that on how we (mis)understood the effects of 8-hour rest, the use of "day" in the exploration breakdown, and the stipulation of how eight hours are needed to prepare new spells in the magic chapter. For that matter, the idea of doing something straining (going into a frothing rage, telling the laws of physics to shut up, whatever) and then resting for eight hours (aka "get a good night's sleep") in order to do it again does make a certain amount of sense.
While I am well aware of the distinction now, I think that the language on resting and preparing spells could probably make the 24 hour thing more clear.
Look at the language for the barbarian:
(...)Starting at 1st level, a barbarian can rage for a number of rounds per day equal to 4 + her Constitution modifier.(...)
(...)The total number of rounds of rage per day is renewed after resting for 8 hours, although these hours do not need to be consecutive.(...)
Let's say a barbarian wakes up at 8 AM and rages, completely expending her rage. She then rests for eight hours, and is ready again at 4.02 PM. It's the same day, but her total number of rounds per day have been 'renewed'. Has her rage been reset? Why/Why not?
|
Temporarily gaining abilities: If I temporarily gain an ability that is limited in its uses per day, am I limited in my overall uses of that ability if I can temporarily gain it more than once?
Yes. You are limited by the ability in the same way as a character that has that ability permanently. For example, if you have an ability that allows you to gain the Stunning Fist feat for a limited period of time and you use it 3 times. Those uses count against your total number of uses should you temporarily gain Stunning Fist again later that day. This limit also applies to abilities that grant additional uses of another ability (such as Extra Channel). Once used, they are consumed for the day, even if you gain the ability again.
I think that this FAQ show that daily use of a ability are limited to that number of uses in a day and you can't gain them multiple times in a day.
Owner - D20 Hobbies
|
I think that this FAQ show that daily use of a ability are limited to that number of uses in a day and you can't gain them multiple times in a day.
This was one of the Book of Heavily Debated answers in 3.5, a day is 24 hours and all abilities only refresh once a day regardless of how much you sleep in between. It was recommended that a GM could deviate a little if he didn't feel the players were trying to break the system.
So in 3.5 and Pathfinder, it seems clear that developers consider per day abilities refreshed once ever 24 hours. Such as spell slots, rage, bardic music, etc.