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Charlie George wrote:
Andius the Afflicted wrote:


The mere fact you need a deal with Pax to not have them slaughter your members prooves my point. It's a legitimate strategy but not the kind of allies I wanted for the group I had built.

With the matter of KoTC aside, there has been pvp between multiple parties. I don't understand why you would think anyone would abide by total non aggression between parties with a strained history, where there is no offer of benefit, and no reasonable expectation of reciprocation.

People planned to attack the empire when you were a leader, there was no indication that the stance was ready to change after the supposed fall. To assume a stance of pure non aggression in such a circumstance would be suicide.

What we did instead is agree to the NAP provided. What is being done by empire settlements now is abiding by the contract we did sign and offer reparations if there is a violation.

Sure, the empire might not be this nebulous idea of social justice. That said we abide by the contracts we do sign.

Again, offer no proofs. Claim victory. Rinse. Repeat.

TEO's primary founding purpose was to protect individuals and small groups that couldn't protect themself. Pax has demonstrated its more than willing to trample anyone who hasn't joined their empire if it's within their benefit to do so.

I don't see any issue with your style of play but surely you are smart enough to see the two are mutually incompatible, as well as that I would have been foolish not to cash into the "they will kill you if they see a benefit in doing so, we require an actual provocation" factor in the propoganda war.

For the record I had plans to destroy UNC. That plan only included war with Pax if they defended UNC. If not then it was a "play it by ear" relationship that I personally believed would end in you creating a circumstance which required us to go to war with you. I can tell you based on the access I had to the TEO private boards (and still do have of I really cared enough to look) that they wanted to use me leaving as a chance to foster positive relations with Pax. Their enmity toward you left with me, though I'm sure they realize by now that peace between Pax and the EA is a pipedream.

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Andius the Afflicted wrote:
I can tell you based on the access I had to the TEO private boards (and still do have of I really cared enough to look) that they wanted to use me leaving as a chance to foster positive relations with Pax. Their enmity toward you left with me, though I'm sure they realize by now that peace between Pax and the EA is a pipedream.

That might be true, but to accept it as such require proof in the pudding. That is absent.

In fact, last I had conversation about more friendly relations (without anyone joining the empire, mind you) the response I got from the southern block was that there were significant interest in wanting to fight the empire.

That is fine, we are fine with content. What is silly is expecting people to hear that and assume we should collect daisies together.

Actual input indicates that there was no real shift in relations before or after you left. There might have been interest, but interest does not forge relations unless it moves beyond interest.

I don't begrudge anyone the propadanga wars, it is one of my favorite aspects. I don't begrudge TEOs stance, even if it is not the same as the empires.

What I am disagreeing with is this idea that there was significant change of standing and our evil evilness proved us blah de blah.

There are other major public figures other than you that enjoy demonizing Xeilias. Nothing substantial changed.

That said, only a fool things the future is locked. No alliance is a pipe dream. A lot of things can change, and I won't pretend it can be predicted.


If Xeilias and TEO were allies, I'm pretty sure there would officially be nothing interesting happening on the map.

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Charlie George wrote:
our evil evilness proved us blah de blah.

Me pretty shur dis part akshully happind.

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Doc || Allegiant Gemstone Co. wrote:
If Xeilias and TEO were allies, I'm pretty sure there would officially be nothing interesting happening on the map.

Indeed. That is a major reason why there is a warlike state at the moment. The relatively high emotional investment is not because the stakes are so high, but rather because the stakes are so low.

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To the extent that the struggle for position and influence is a game, perhaps you should just accept that you played poorly and lost.

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The sting of betrayal is a deep one.


Like I said, it sounds like you have some issues to work out.

Regardless though, thank you for these moments of non-troll-like sharing here. It was kind of interesting to learn some back story to some of that stuff. Hope you find some peace.

</ end happy fluffy snuggles>

Andius you're a troll.

:D

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Delicious QQ Drinks!


Charlie George wrote:
The only real difference is the focus targets.

This implies Andius's anger is a targeted effect, and...well, let's just say you should always bring an Andius when fighting swarms.

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@Andius
You are a very disgruntled person.

I have to ask, do you remember the meeting you had with me when it wasn't Golgotha, but New Liberthane and the Order of the Crimson Knights?

Funny how things turn out.

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Lord Regent: Deacon Wulf wrote:

@Andius

You are a very disgruntled person.

I have to ask, do you remember the meeting you had with me when it wasn't Golgotha, but New Liberthane and the Order of the Crimson Knights?

Funny how things turn out.

I remember the jist but not many of the particulars. If I remember right that was just after I had come back from a leave of absence and TEO's activity had declined severely because when the person I left in charge (Jak Blitz) also ran into issues that tore him away from the game none of the active membership made any effort to keep things going.

We were originally hoping to create a TEO / Crimson Knights merger to revive activity but it kind of fell through. I ended up creating the Brighthaven initiative and engineering the CotP merger instead. While no other groups joined Brighthaven and few CoTP members showed interest in PFO the internal discussions stirred up enough excitement and activity within TEO to get us out of the slump.

In hind sight I think I cast raise dead on TEO instead of ressurection. Even under my leadership I think TEO lost some of the drive to achieve it's original vision to a race to get as many active members as possible. I probably should have just let it rest in peace instead of becoming PFO's first necromancer.


I assume you mean animate dead, since raise dead is virtually identical to resurrection save you can bring back people whose bodies have been nearly totally obliterated, or who've been dead for ages, or who got bodak'd. :P

Goblin Squad Member

Right. Sorry I usually play Rangers in the TT so I'm not as familiar with all the high level spells.


It's all good, I only know it because three characters just kicked the bucket in my Age of Worms game. Raise dead is...on the players' minds.

Anyways, back to...this.

On second thought, I'm getting the hell outta here.

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Oh no, the popcorn bag is overflowing. Please help me, I need help. Help me eat all this before it smothers me.


Does it have real butter?

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Have you been reading this thread, Kobold? THE BUTTER ALSO OVERFLOWETH.

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