Dragon Disciple

[Tsadok half-hammer]

I've decided to try and build a Dragon disciple but I am unsure of the best way.I have decided to make it a half elf my stats are Str 17 Dex 7 Con 15 Int 7 Wis 10 Cha 18(including +2 from race) or Str 16(including +2 from race) Dex7 Con 14 Int 12 Wis 12 Cha 16.

I had planned on taking 1 level of Oracle with the lore mystery with the side step secret revelation . 2 levels of paladin. 2 levels of sorcerer with the cross blooded Orc and draconic bloodlines followed by 6 levels of Dragon disciple. Unsure currently on feats but was thinking of taking eldrich heritage abyssal and improved eldrich heritage abyssal for 9th level power.

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

[wellsmv]

its quite doable.. you will be losing out on alot of spellcasting ability though between lvl dips and the prestige class

but overall it should be a fun character..

[Chris Mortika]

Look at that character at 5th level. What does he bring to the party? BAB 4, no armor (if you want to cast those sorcerer spells) and four 1st-level spells. Oh, and he's cursed, too.

[gnoams]

Why crossblooded sorcerer? With all that multiclassing you're not going to be a spellcaster. So all crossblooded does for you is -2 will saves.

[Charon's Little Helper]

I wouldn't dump Dex that low. It'll hurt your AC too much. 12 is about as low as I ever go.

[Chris Mortika]

CLH, his oracle revelation lets him use Charisma instead of Dex for AC.

[Genuine]

gnoams wrote:

Why crossblooded sorcerer? With all that multiclassing you're not going to be a spellcaster. So all crossblooded does for you is -2 will saves.

Presumably he felt that the +1 damage per die, Darkvision, and Touch of Rage was worth the -2 will save.

Given that he's got Cha to saves, and that several of his classes have Will as a good save (at level 5 his will save will be at 10, including the cross-blooded penalty and not including magic items) , I'd say it's a decent trade.

[Charon's Little Helper]

Chris Mortika wrote:

CLH, his oracle revelation lets him use Charisma instead of Dex for AC.

My bad. (Forgot about that one - makes Oracle an almost disgustingly good dip then.)

[The Fourth Horseman]

I hope the OP doesn't mind, but as a tangent, what do folks think of Bloodrager/DD?

[Tsadok half-hammer]

I had thought of that but I wasn't sure about the bloodlines stacking or not if you did it that way it could work quite well.

[Dafydd]

Bloodrager/DD looks like it SHOULD stack, but I have not seen any official word on this yet. I think Pazio itself is leaving the decision as GM Fiat, per Advanced Class Origins, however that does not answer the question in Society.

If it does, it is probally one of the better DD paths, as there is no crazy multiclassing.

If it does not, your original build looks like it should work out fine, especially once you do start getting into DD.

[Zwordsman]

no official word on bloodrager/dd but its kinda neat. issue is their bloodline is semi permi.

and as for OP

I assume your wanting to be primarily beat face melee, then occasional blasting spell? Given the lower spell casting levels you own't have the DC for much else other than ray damage spells.
The 2 self heals is pretty neat (oracle and paladin heals)

[Avoron]

I would suggest taking the Lunar Mystery instead of Lore, and skipping sorcerer and paladin entirely. Here's a sample build:

1: Oracle 1: Racial Heritage (kobold), Gift of Claw and Horn or Primal Companion (advance with favored class bonus)
2: Oracle 2:
3: Oracle 3: Scaled Disciple, Prophetic Armor
4: Oracle 4:
5: Oracle 5: Divine Protection
6: Dragon Disciple!

[Imbicatus]

This was moved from the pfs forums. Divine protection and everything in kobolds of golarion is not pfs legal.

Oracle is a great entry into DD for a home game though.

[Avoron]

Sadness.

[Tsadok half-hammer]

My plan for spells were mainly buffing for sorcerer and healing for oracle.

The Oracle only option seems like it might work and the kobold bloodline I don't like that much and as was stated is not legal.and the main reason for the paladin dip was for divine grace.
What feats would people take assuming I take eldrich heritage at 3rd and improved eldrich heritage at 11 as I can't decide.

My thoughts were perhaps
1 power attack
3 eldrich heritage( abyssal)
I have no idea after 3rd though.

[wellsmv]

if you dont take the lvl dips you get much better spells and you can makeup for the diving grace with a magic item to get better save..

take noble scion to get chat bonus to init and blast enemies before everyone else..

[Tamec]

How does an oracle get "spontaneously cast arcane spells"?

[Gisher]

Tamec wrote:

How does an oracle get "spontaneously cast arcane spells"?

It's the Scaled Disciple feat.

[Tsadok half-hammer]

Knoble scion would work well thanks I'll probably add it in. Also wellsmv divine grace is a Divine bonus so would stack with cloaks of resistance and getting the save bonuses as high would probably cost a lot of money.

Say I start with 16 Cha at level 11 I have a +4 headband of cha that's 20 total which is a +5 I then have a +3 cloak of resistance that's a total bonus of +8(+5 divine +3 resistance) to get +8 from magic items is going to be a lot more expensive as I think the cloak of resistance +3 is 9000.

[Tsadok half-hammer]

Just had a thought don't know if it's right or not but the DD has the ability blood of dragons which adds you DD levels to sorcerer for bloodline effects would this add to both bloodlines or just one ?

[Charon's Little Helper]

Have you considered just starting as an Eldritch Scion Magus? It'd let you get the Draconic Bloodline far higher than if it doesn't start until DD levels.

Oh - and whatever arcane spellcasting class you decide to go - don't forget to take the trait to add +2 to caster level.

[Tsadok half-hammer]

Had thought of eldrich scion but I wasn't sure about it as its bloodrager bloodline not sorcerer which should stack but there is no official rulings yet so don't know if it would work or not but is a good idea.

[PolydactylPolymath]

RAW the Dragon Disciple does not currently advance the Bloodrager's Draconic bloodline--it merely gives you the abilities of the Sorcerer bloodline according to your DD levels, in addition to your Bloodrager abilities. Same goes for Eldritch Scion.

Dragon Disciple wrote:

If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained.

[Wiggz]

Tsadok half-hammer wrote:

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

I think you're trying to do too many things, that you're creating a frankenstein who ultimately won't be as good as the sum of his parts.

Human Paladin (Oath of Vengeance) with the Oracle dip and a focus on Extra Lay on Hands would be a very strong character.

Human with 5 levels of Draconic Sorcerer then 8 levels of Dragon Disciple then the rest Draconic Sorcerer, taking the Infernal Bloodline via Eldritch Heritage would be a very strong character.

In neither case would you have to gimp the character by flooring his Dex and Int. Nothing wrong with trying to make an effective concept, but who's concept is a lethal spell-casting warrior who is borderline retarded and clumsy as hell?