My biggest concern with the movies is how will they age? I don't see them holding up well after everything is all wrapped up. Though, they will always have the distinction of being the first to bring together a project of this magnitude.
Depends on the movie? Honestly, some of the worst movies I've seen were where the directors and creators actively set out to make something 'timeless' and 'classic'... where the best movies are made from stories that the people involved with couldn't believe they became as popular as they did...
The more the marvel movies actively try to foreshadow things... the less they'll hold up. Personally, I enjoyed Iron man 2 quite a bit... but a lot of criticism is that it was merely 'set up' for Avengers. Same can be said of pretty much ANYTHING after fury showed up in the credits of Iron man 1...
Going back and seeing the teases and hints REALLY don't mean much after the teased movie's been seen. Seeing a file marked 'super-soldier' in Hulk, doesn't mean much to me anymore once it's been 4 years since we saw Captain America.
The key is to have the movie be connected to all the others... without being a puzzle piece that NEEDS 3-4 other movies to make sense. We're at least 8-9 movies into the franchise now... and the likelihood of ever having a mega marathon again is VERY unlikely.
That said, I haven't really seen any movies here that I DON'T enjoy rewatching. I think if you love the characters, these were all put together so well, they'll hold up quite well. There's not a Catwoman, Steel, or Ghost Rider 2 in the bunch.
Loki was/is working for Thanos.
Loki is now (essentially) king of Asgard.
Now Thanos has the gauntlet.
Not hard to connect the dots there.
Re-watched Avengers Age of Ultron today and confirmed that it is the left gauntlet (while Odin has the right).
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I thought the movie was pretty good. It was funny. I had trouble seeing some of the action, but that might have been because I saw it in a drive-thru theater and the screen wasn't as large as it would have been in a typical movie theater.
1. Drive-ins still exist?
2. What kind of s!%*ty drive-in theater is it that has a screen smaller than a typical movie theater? There was an old drive-in theater near the house I grew up in, and that screen was MUCH bigger than any other screen I've seen a movie on.
I thought the movie was pretty good. It was funny. I had trouble seeing some of the action, but that might have been because I saw it in a drive-thru theater and the screen wasn't as large as it would have been in a typical movie theater.1. Drive-ins still exist?
2. What kind of s@$#ty drive-in theater is it that has a screen smaller than a typical movie theater? There was an old drive-in theater near the house I grew up in, and that screen was MUCH bigger than any other screen I've seen a movie on.
There is a drive in near my house (well, if you consider 90 minutes "near") and its screen is certainly not as big as an IMAX screen.
There's at least one drive-in within 20 miles of me. I haven't been to it in over a decade though.
Drive in screens are big, but you also tend to sit much further away. The parking lot is also significantly bigger than the seating area in an IMAX theater.
I need to go see it again so I can actually tell what happens during the forest scene.
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Because?
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Well, then don't watch stuff with Whedon at the helm?Because?** spoiler omitted **
thankfully, he won't have to!
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Yeah I honestly don't know how to respond to the few highly-critical posts here, considering 90% of the stuff they say they hated about the movie is stuff that I went there for the purpose of seeing and utterly enjoyed the living heck out of, and the remaining 10% is complaints of plotholes, inconsistencies, or other stuff that I simply didn't notice at all.
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To try to ruin it for the rest of us who actually enjoy things. It's a schadenfreude thing.
*shrug* I'll concede it's not always that, and that some people just simply don't enjoy the thing for one reason or another.
It's just... near impossible to actually discuss the subject when the primary reasons they give for disliking it are the primary reasons I enjoyed it. There's no common ground. Like for example Juda's post on the prior page - there's not a single word in that entire post I agreed with, but it's obviously a strongly-held personal view. How do you debate or discuss that? Everything s/he thought was bad, I thought was good; everything s/he thought was a flaw, I didn't notice or even approved of. The viewpoints are just so fundamentally opposite that the best you can do is just acknowledge the person's opinion exists and move on with discussion with people you see more eye-to-eye with.
Freehold and I go back-and-forth all the time on my pro-Whedon/his anti-Whedon stances, but it comes down to the same thing. The dialogue, the story and plot, and the characterizations are all things I immensely love about most of Whedon's work, but they're the cornerstone for Freehold's dislike of the guy. (That and his constant accusations that Whedon rips off anime, when it's more likely a case of independent discovery/development of similar concepts - there's a term for this but I forget what it is. I'd laugh my head off if someone brought it up in an interview or something and Whedon had either never seen it, either due to lack of exposure or because he actively dislikes anime.)
Yes, that's it, thank you.
Indeed. Rather rude.
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I really try to judge a movie on my enjoyment of the subject matter and the consistency and sometimes lack thereof of the world.
There are certain creators who's work I know that I don't like and so therefore I don't support their stuff. I think that knowing I dont like certain creators and yet reading / seeing their work knowing that I dont like them and complaining about it afterwards is in really bad form. So I simply dont do it.
I have my issues with Whedon but not enough where it just stops me from enjoying his output. I enjoyed Serenity and The Avengers. I had my issues with AGE OF ULTRON but it turns out the issues that I had with it? Whedon did as well.
So I really did enjoy AGE OF ULTRON although I think that I'll enjoy a lot of the action better on a small screen so that I'll be able to follow it better. The humor was the best part for me. Between Tony's commentary during the Hulk vs. Veronica battle ("I'm Sorry"), Thor ("Fortunately I am MIGHTY...") and Hawkeye ("...No one would know...") I was pretty much chuckling all through the movie.
A good mix of action, solid character bits, a good dose of humor? I'm good. It's my 3rd favorite of the Marvel Studio films with WINTER SOLIDER being no. 1 and THE AVENGERS being no. 2 but that's not a bad standing at all.
Hama don't fret.
I am enjoying writing my long winded and very fair review of the film even as we post.
And yes whedon steals from anime on the regular. No sign of that in this film however. I even include that in my review as a "good" thing!
Yeah I honestly don't know how to respond to the few highly-critical posts
It would probably be wise if you didn't.
This thread isn't a dedicated love-in, and the movie isn't immune to criticism (of any sort - whether specific individuals think they're "mindless" or not).
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And yes whedon steals from anime on the regular.
Again, I think you're mistaking "has/uses ideas similar to" with "actively copies from".
Is anime bad or is being inspired bad?
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Also, the science in this movie is a little flimsy.
Yeah, it's not nearly as good as the science from Mass Effect.
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Since this is supposed to be picking up where Age of Ultron leaves off, I figured this to be relevant.
Glad to see Thunderbolt Ross is returning.
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Woke up pondering the similarities between the MCU Vision and the 616 character of Adam Warlock, as created beings who carry Infinity Stones and could be leading into Vision taking on that sort of role in the Infinity Gauntlet movies, and then found out that the theory was already all over the internets anyway...
Woke up pondering the similarities between the MCU Vision and the 616 character of Adam Warlock, as created beings who carry Infinity Stones and could be leading into Vision taking on that sort of role in the Infinity Gauntlet movies, and then found out that the theory was already all over the internets anyway...
Hadn't heard that... but while I'm ambivalent to Vision, I do like Paul Bettnay, and have always actively despised Adam Warlock...
So yeah... I approve this theory.
Regardless. I do NOT see Vision lasting past part one of the infinity war. I pretty much expect the end of part one to be Thanos standing there with a completed gauntlet... and anyone who needs one to live will NOT be in a good place.
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*shrug* I'll concede it's not always that, and that some people just simply don't enjoy the thing for one reason or another.
It's just... near impossible to actually discuss the subject when the primary reasons they give for disliking it are the primary reasons I enjoyed it. There's no common ground. Like for example Juda's post on the prior page - there's not a single word in that entire post I agreed with, but it's obviously a strongly-held personal view. How do you debate or discuss that? Everything s/he thought was bad, I thought was good; everything s/he thought was a flaw, I didn't notice or even approved of. The viewpoints are just so fundamentally opposite that the best you can do is just acknowledge the person's opinion exists and move on with discussion with people you see more eye-to-eye with.
Just as people come here to say how awesome the movie, I'm here to say how disappointing it was. I'm not trying to ruin it for anyone else (that's just plain silly), nor am I trying to change your mind. I even envy those who did love it, but it didn't make that grade for me. And it's just me sharing my opinion on that.
As for why did I see it? It's the flagship title of the MCU, the gathering of all the main heroes and the biggest advance on the overall plot. One has to see it just to know where the universe is going next.
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Woke up pondering the similarities between the MCU Vision and the 616 character of Adam Warlock, as created beings who carry Infinity Stones and could be leading into Vision taking on that sort of role in the Infinity Gauntlet movies, and then found out that the theory was already all over the internets anyway...
Didn't the Collector have the cocoon that Warlock was created in (my AW knowledge is fuzzy) in his collection in GotG?
Glad to see Thunderbolt Ross is returning.
Yay, me too.
Woke up pondering the similarities between the MCU Vision and the 616 character of Adam Warlock, as created beings who carry Infinity Stones and could be leading into Vision taking on that sort of role in the Infinity Gauntlet movies, and then found out that the theory was already all over the internets anyway...
Didn't the Collector have the cocoon that Warlock was created in (my AW knowledge is fuzzy) in his collection in GotG?
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I believe the directors have acknowleged that it was just tossed in as a fun easter egg to 'look cool' without actually indicating anything about Warlock.
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Uwe Boll, Brett Ratner and Paul Anderson all make movies about franchises and subjects I like. Unfortunately, I don't like their movies.
I avoid watching movies those people direct. I am always disappointed in their version. The disappointment is made worse by the fact that I care about the subject matter their movies cover before I even see the film.
I don't scream my disappointment across the internet in every thread and board I come across that deals with any of their movies. That would be stupid. I just don't watch their movies anymore.
I find that this is what most people do when they discover they don't like something. It baffles me why Joss Whedon has this bizarre faction of people who are like anti-fans, who are just as much (if not more) engaged in his work than people who actually like him. I can't think of any other director who has that problem.
Its really weird.
How can you criticize a true craftsman and artist like Uwe Boll???
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Also, the science in this movie is a little flimsy.Yeah, it's not nearly as good as the science from Mass Effect.
Well, it's not :)
Mass Effect is a gentle shove away from belonging to the "hard science fiction" genre - mostly accurate or close to accurate with a few fictional "scientific discoveries" to push things along. Science in the MCU is complete and utter nonstop lunacy. That's fine, each genre has its own demands.
My biggest concern with the movies is how will they age? I don't see them holding up well after everything is all wrapped up. Though, they will always have the distinction of being the first to bring together a project of this magnitude.
I anticipate that the movie would age rather well. It has enough character driven moments to remain relevant even in some hypothetical future where the special effects seem cartoonish. The movie is about more than booms, and that grants it a longevity that other recent big movies, like say Furious 7, would not have.
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Uwe Boll is still directing? He is like Ed Wood but without the charm.