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I am not sure why, but I am happy Marvel got one over on Universal. It just feels like Universal doesn't deserve anything

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MMCJawa wrote:

According to Ruffalo, they can't really do a stand alone Hulk movie because Universal gets a cut of the profits (Or I guess they could, but they don't want to feed Universal money).

Apparently as long as Hulk is teamed up, Universal gets jack.

World War Hulk would have all the Avengers in it. They'd be the ones the Hulk is ragdolling.

I recommend Black Widow and Hawkeyes take a vacation for it, though.


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Lord Fyre wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Not the same without ant man. I don't see Tony making ultron, I just don't. He's not a philanthropist/scientist in the same mold.
In an interview, Whedon himself stated how he really wanted to use Pym for the Ultron origin, but Ant Man was already in development and he couldn't step on Wright's toes. Tony is smart enough—especially with J.A.R.V.I.S. established as Chekov's A.I. back in Iron Man (I)—has the resources, is an untrusting control freak, and was looking for a way to get out of the armor since IM3... he has great believable motivations for developing a robot peacekeeper(s) program. And he has an ego big enough to think he can pull it off successfully, despite a track record (starting with his dad) of inventions that turn out to dangerously malfunction and/or be misused.
Actually, with S.H.I.E.L.D. imploding, he would see a void (Global emergency response) that would need filled.
I could easily see Tony making an army of killbots without batting an eye, especially with whedon at the helm of the film.

Why not? He already had the House Party Protocol with J.A.R.V.I.S. driving the suits. The next step would be to make them autonomous.

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Brox RedGloves wrote:
Why not? He already had the House Party Protocol with J.A.R.V.I.S. driving the suits. The next step would be to make them autonomous.

Daredevil might object to that

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Brox RedGloves wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Not the same without ant man. I don't see Tony making ultron, I just don't. He's not a philanthropist/scientist in the same mold.
In an interview, Whedon himself stated how he really wanted to use Pym for the Ultron origin, but Ant Man was already in development and he couldn't step on Wright's toes. Tony is smart enough—especially with J.A.R.V.I.S. established as Chekov's A.I. back in Iron Man (I)—has the resources, is an untrusting control freak, and was looking for a way to get out of the armor since IM3... he has great believable motivations for developing a robot peacekeeper(s) program. And he has an ego big enough to think he can pull it off successfully, despite a track record (starting with his dad) of inventions that turn out to dangerously malfunction and/or be misused.
Actually, with S.H.I.E.L.D. imploding, he would see a void (Global emergency response) that would need filled.
I could easily see Tony making an army of killbots without batting an eye, especially with whedon at the helm of the film.
Why not? He already had the House Party Protocol with J.A.R.V.I.S. driving the suits. The next step would be to make them autonomous.

Which leads to ... the plot of Avengers 2.

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Just ordered my IMAX tickets. Will watch the movie this Saturday with some friends :)


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Saw it at the previews last night (it's out today here in NZ). It's excellent, definitely lived up to my (incredibly high) expectations.

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I can agree with shadram. It was awesome, and I'm still in a wonder how they managed to have so many characters and each one had their good share of screen time. New characters were great, I especially fell in love with Vision and Scarlet Witch. And the ending is so good it haunts me still. It was not only as good as the previous Avengers movie, but exceeded it in my opinion.


~sticks my fingers in my ears~ I can't hear you. ~grumbles~ It will be out next week in the US. Luck poeple that get to see it early. ~grins~ Enjoy it!


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So is it true, that at the end, Whedtron Ultron kills

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Freehold's anime and manga library? :D


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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
So is it true, that at the end, Whedtron Ultron kills ** spoiler omitted **

~screams~ Poor Freehold! The horror! The horror!


I read a review that said "Captain America and Thor have nothing to do." Is this accurate? They're my two favorite superheroes and such would leave me immensely disappointed.


Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
So is it true, that at the end, Whedtron Ultron kills ** spoiler omitted **

He will cannibalize it, remove names of mangaka, and substitute his own. As he has done before.

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Avengers 2: 2 Many Avengers

Was incredible, they fit a lot of story into it. I might be biased (I saw it a charity fan screening. Full of enthusiastic cosplaying nerds). Still there was plenty of story for every character.

Ultron was an awesome robot. The thing I love about his personality:

Spoiler:
Is that he's basically Evil Mirror of Stark, and there's something subversive about him being played by James Spader.


It was on the good side of ok, but not much. It was probably better than the first but still suffered some serious problems.

Movie plot spoiler:

The action was mostly just annoying. I hate shaky-cam and anything even resembling it, and excessive cutting and editing can also ruin things. It can, in certain instances work, but then you need a scene like the church scene in Kingsman, not the rather messy fights we had here. If Whedon had spent a bit more time on the action and individual scenes and kept the damn camera still it would have been better. As it was I found myself zoning out during a lot of the action because it was not terribly interesting and a bit straining on the eyes. My girlfriend says I'm just overly sensitive to such things and the action was awesome, but I am convinced she is insane because she likes rollercosters and I like my vision straight and unshaken. The Hulkbuster scene was pretty good, though. It's just the others that were a bit less impressive.
The basic story was better this time around and the enemy more impressive to start with. The Chitauri just struck me as dumb and annoying even if the dragons were a bit dangerous, but the Ultron mess and the Maximoff twins seemed genuinely threatening. There was funny banter throughout the film, but too much of it. It often seemed a bit forced and really only served to distract from what action and drama there was, which you would think was a good thing if one isn't too impressed with the actiony or dramay bits but it got old fast and it wasn't quite as funny as it needed to be to work in the amounts we were given. In this case, less would have been more.

So what's good about the movie? Well, if you're like me and like seeing them try to cram in everyone from the other movies you're likely to be happy. Which is nice because more Maria Hill (yummy) and newcomer Helen Cho (more yummy), Jack(son) Fury, but no Pepper (boo) or Coulson (yay - he really lost it as an amusing character when he got AoS), as well as minor roles for Rhodey and Falcon. They did not try to do too much with these characters, fortunately, which would have made the movie a terrible mess. They got the minor characters just enough screen time to feel useful but minor.
Hawkeye actually gets character development, something that's been sorely lacking in his previous Marvel movie showings. They also build him up to die and then don't kill him, which was a nice change of pace. The story worked pretty well and I while I can see the complaint that the Maximoffs' story was kind of tacked on to the Ultron plot and not particularly well handled it wasn't a major part of the movie and doesn't really detract. The good is also that Stark doesn't dominate the movie to quite the same extent that he did in the last one. Not that it isn't appropriate for the character or that it isn't amusing, but in an ensemble cast like this everybody really should be interesting enough to bear watching and get roughly equal screen time, and this movie does that a lot better than the last.

The "....eh?" stuff in the movie:
Ultron had some good parts but he seemed too kooky to be truly menacing. When he was serious and crazy, it was fun. When he got all emotional and didn't quite understand things he was annoying. He also fired several blasts point blank into Cap, who just shrugged them off. We get that Cap is tough but these blasts were supposedly dangerous.
Vision - they built him up, had him come in and show off then kind of put him on hold throughout most of the action except when they remembered he existed. He didn't really fit in and seemed ...off. Not just the character in universe but the use of him in the movie. I guess he just seemed superfluous, a character they threw in there to make way for the next Avengers movie. The whole Infinity Stone thing could easily have been handled without cluttering up the narrative with yet another character. If they really needed to introduce him, they could have done so with an epilogue scene rather than make it an important part of the movie who then doesn't get much to do. Maybe Vision fans may get a kick out of him but he just weighted down an already packed movie. .

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It was one of the dumbest movies ever made, I think. It was pretty good.

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I suppose what I mean is that of all the movies in the cinematic Marvel franchise we have seen, this was was the most like a comic book in movie form. Somehow, most previous movies managed to avoid this silver-era feeling of a prevailing goofines, but certainly not this one. The Vision definitely had a lot to do with that, of course.

The movie was overall very well crafted. It was funny, juggled millions of characters skillfully and was well acted and well directed. It was action packed - those first five minutes were incredible, and many later action scenes were awesome as well. However,I felt like maybe there's a bit too much action. In the first movie, we had a slow build up over about 80 minutes and then the payoff was getting to see all the Avengers in action together. This time we get this 4 seconds after the Marvel logo fades, and it just keeps on happening. There certainly were a couple of action scenes that were several minutes long and did nothing to advance the story - such as Iron Man facing The Hulk in that gigantic power suit or the fight scene that happens right after Ultron presents itself. The movie could have been better had it been a little bit more reserved with many of the action sequences, leaving the really good stuff for the end. As it is, the climactic battle honestly feels like more of the same.

Another caveat is a moment where Captain America is fighting Ultron and gets blasted in the chest with a laser beam, several times, without getting harmed in the slightest. There's no reason that the Captain should be immune to laser beams, and watching that happen just hammers home the fact that all the characters have a very serious plot armor and that nothing could ever happen to them. It makes a lot of the action more meaningless than it has to be.

I didn't like the twins. They were never more than blank slates that carried some CGI and a couple of one-liners. There was an interesting bait-and-switch that had me believing Hawkeye was going to die - and when he was saved in the last second by Quicksilver I was just like, "oh OK, I guess Hawkeye lives. Nice". I just didn't care that quicksilver died. I think the movie would have been better without those two.

The bottom line, however, was that the movie was good. Some of the stuff that went on the action scenes was spectectualr, dialog was great, story was acceptable. I laughed out loud many times (Ultron is somewhat of a goofball, and even Hawkeye had his moments) and I felt like clapping on several occasions.

It's a pretty darn good time to be a geek.


Must....resist....urge to click spoiler button....

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MMCJawa wrote:
Must....resist....urge to click spoiler button....

I decided to add here "spoiler-free spoilers" - a version of my earlier post that doesn't reference any specific part of the movie. It still has statements like "not all characters were handled well" or "earlier action scenes were better than the later ones" (neither of these are actually things that I thought about the movie, they are only here to show the style of things to be found in the spoiler).

Maybe that will help resist temptation ;)

spoiler free spoilers:
I suppose what I mean is that of all the movies in the cinematic Marvel franchise we have seen, this was was the most like a comic book in movie form. Somehow, most previous movies managed to avoid this silver-era feeling of a prevailing goofines, but certainly not this one.
The movie was overall very well crafted. It was funny, juggled millions of characters skillfully and was well acted and well directed. It was action packed - the early action scenes incredible, and many later action scenes were awesome as well. However,I felt like maybe there's a bit too much action. In the first movie, we had a slow build up over about 80 minutes and then the payoff was getting to see all the Avengers in action together. This time we get that right away, and it just keeps on happening. There certainly were a couple of action scenes that were several minutes long and did nothing to advance the story. The movie could have been better had it been a little bit more reserved with many of the action sequences, leaving the really good stuff for the end. As it is, the climactic battle honestly feels like more of the same.

The bottom line, however, was that the movie was good. Some of the stuff that went on the action scenes was spectacular, dialog was great, story was acceptable. I laughed out loud many times (Ultron is somewhat of a goofball, and even Hawkeye had his moments) and I felt like clapping on several occasions.

It's a pretty darn good time to be a geek.


Thanks Snow...That does help!

Man this week though I have to wait is going to really really suck...


"Dumb, but fun" is how I'd define this movie... The only two things the bothered me is the way-too-obvious plot armor that most characters have (e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him) and how freaking stupid aome characters are at times... Specially Tony Stark and Ultron... And I don't mean ina frodge logic sense where you later realize there was a much simpler solution for a problem... I mean it in a instantly-thinking-"Why the hell would he do that?" way...


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Lemmy wrote:
(e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him)

Spoiler:
It seemed to me that Ultron wished to keep Cap around so that he might be there at the end to experience the totality of the Avengers' failure. Clearly he was pulling his punches.

Fun movie...

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I WANNA WATCH IT. And I have to wait for my paycheck to arrive.


Lemmy wrote:

"Dumb, but fun" is how I'd define this movie... The only two things the bothered me is the way-too-obvious plot armor that most characters have (e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him) and how freaking stupid aome characters are at times... Specially Tony Stark and Ultron... And I don't mean ina frodge logic sense where you later realize there was a much simpler solution for a problem... I mean it in a instantly-thinking-"Why the hell would he do that?" way...

crosses fingers please let it be really dumb...let whedon have overreached....


reminds me of Transformers

Avengers 3 could be more interesting if they change the team

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They won't. It's the infinity war. EVERYONE and their grandma will be in it.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Lemmy wrote:

"Dumb, but fun" is how I'd define this movie... The only two things the bothered me is the way-too-obvious plot armor that most characters have (e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him) and how freaking stupid aome characters are at times... Specially Tony Stark and Ultron... And I don't mean ina frodge logic sense where you later realize there was a much simpler solution for a problem... I mean it in a instantly-thinking-"Why the hell would he do that?" way...

crosses fingers please let it be really dumb...let whedon have overreached....

Nah. Sorry, but he is up to the challenge in a way that most directors will never be. When watching the movie and saying it's merely OK, one tends to overlook just how incredibly hard it is to balance so many moving parts in a project like this. Whedon makes it look easy, even if the result is not a very memorable movie in anything but it's premise. Again, though, actually delivering on this basic premise is very far from trivial.

I suddenly had a thought. Didn't Tony Stark say he was quitting the superhero business at the end of Iron Man 3? We all knew it wouldn't stick, of course, but still - there's not the barest of mentions of this in the movie. As if nothing ever happened.

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Lord Snow wrote:


I suddenly had a thought. Didn't Tony Stark say he was quitting the superhero business at the end of Iron Man 3? We all knew it wouldn't stick, of course, but still - there's not the barest of mentions of this in the movie. As if nothing ever happened.

That's the entire reason he made freaking Ultron. So there wouldn't have to be superheros.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Lemmy wrote:

"Dumb, but fun" is how I'd define this movie... The only two things the bothered me is the way-too-obvious plot armor that most characters have (e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him) and how freaking stupid aome characters are at times... Specially Tony Stark and Ultron... And I don't mean ina frodge logic sense where you later realize there was a much simpler solution for a problem... I mean it in a instantly-thinking-"Why the hell would he do that?" way...

crosses fingers please let it be really dumb...let whedon have overreached....

I would not worry that much about it Freehold DM you will find plenty to hate about it. You have after all have raised you hate for whedon to a art form after all. ;)

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Lord Snow wrote:
Didn't Tony Stark say he was quitting the superhero business at the end of Iron Man 3?

Yeah, in the scene when he ordered all of his armors to explosively self-destruct, while Rhodey was wearing one of them and carrying the Vice President.

Oops!

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Set wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Didn't Tony Stark say he was quitting the superhero business at the end of Iron Man 3?

Yeah, in the scene when he ordered all of his armors to explosively self-destruct, while Rhodey was wearing one of them and carrying the Vice President.

Oops!

Yeah, except the Mark II was never on the House Party protocol and had a different control scheme that allowed Rhodey to pilot it. It's the reason why Rhodey needed to get the Iron Patriot War Machine suit back instead of taking one of the ones that were on hose party.

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Imbicatus wrote:
Set wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Didn't Tony Stark say he was quitting the superhero business at the end of Iron Man 3?

Yeah, in the scene when he ordered all of his armors to explosively self-destruct, while Rhodey was wearing one of them and carrying the Vice President.

Oops!

Yeah, except the Mark II was never on the House Party protocol and had a different control scheme that allowed Rhodey to pilot it. It's the reason why Rhodey needed to get the Iron Patriot War Machine suit back instead of taking one of the ones that were on hose party.

Well I thought the 'Iron Patriot' was not the MK II, but was built custom for Rhodey.

Personally I liked the bulk of the War Machine.

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It was a refurbished war machine armor. I prefered the War Machine armor. It looked badass.


Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
"Dumb, but fun" is how I'd define this movie... The only two things the bothered me is the way-too-obvious plot armor that most characters have (e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him) and how freaking stupid aome characters are at times... Specially Tony Stark and Ultron... And I don't mean ina frodge logic sense where you later realize there was a much simpler solution for a problem... I mean it in a instantly-thinking-"Why the hell would he do that?" way...
crosses fingers please let it be really dumb...let whedon have overreached....

Nah. Sorry, but he is up to the challenge in a way that most directors will never be. When watching the movie and saying it's merely OK, one tends to overlook just how incredibly hard it is to balance so many moving parts in a project like this. Whedon makes it look easy, even if the result is not a very memorable movie in anything but it's premise. Again, though, actually delivering on this basic premise is very far from trivial.

I'm not discounting Wheddon's ability. I know that movie-making is hard... I'm just saying what I saw... A movie that is pretty dumb... But incredibly fun! I do recommend the movie to everyone who enjoys mindless fun super-herp flicks (I do!), but there certainly were moments where I almost facepalmed due to thinking "Why would you do that? It's a really stupid idea!"

Still... The movie is really freaking fun! Good humour and amazing action scenes! (Even if the villain is surprisingly stupid. XD)

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Lemmy wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
"Dumb, but fun" is how I'd define this movie... The only two things the bothered me is the way-too-obvious plot armor that most characters have (e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him) and how freaking stupid aome characters are at times... Specially Tony Stark and Ultron... And I don't mean ina frodge logic sense where you later realize there was a much simpler solution for a problem... I mean it in a instantly-thinking-"Why the hell would he do that?" way...
crosses fingers please let it be really dumb...let whedon have overreached....

Nah. Sorry, but he is up to the challenge in a way that most directors will never be. When watching the movie and saying it's merely OK, one tends to overlook just how incredibly hard it is to balance so many moving parts in a project like this. Whedon makes it look easy, even if the result is not a very memorable movie in anything but it's premise. Again, though, actually delivering on this basic premise is very far from trivial.

I'm not discounting Wheddon's ability. I know that movie-making is hard... I'm just saying what I saw... A movie that is pretty dumb... But incredibly fun! I do recommend the movie to everyone who enjoys mindless fun super-herp flicks (I do!), but there certainly were moments where I almost facepalmed due to thinking "Why would you do that? It's a really stupid idea!"

Still... The movie is really freaking fun! Good humour and amazing action scenes! (Even if the villain is surprisingly stupid. XD)

Sure, the movie wasn't smart. But there were a million and one ways for this movie to go horribly wrong and be plain bad, and it's not.


Hama wrote:
They won't. It's the infinity war. EVERYONE and their grandma will be in it.

should be just

Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (X-men version), Vision

the rest are annoying


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Saw it yesterday. A great summer movie and it was very nice to see all the familiar characters again. Yet it didn't have the feeling of "Oh my god, this is so awesome, I can't believe I am seeing this!" of the first Avengers movie, which of course is almost impossible to replicate.

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Really loved that Paul Bethany is getting a bigger role, guy really deserves being a bigger star. Although with Thanos coming after the infinity stones, I kinda fear that the Vision is headed for an early demise.

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Lemmy wrote:
(e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him)

Proposition: Whedon put the infamous "Untron shooting Captain America" as a kind of temper tantrum because he was not allowed to kill any of the major characters.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
(e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him)
Proposition: Whedon put the infamous "Untron shooting Captain America" as a kind of temper tantrum because he was not allowed to kill any of the major characters.

Making the movie worse to prove a point? I hope not.

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I thought Thor's hammer stole the show this time.

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Do they explain how cap lives? Seeing this Friday and heard about this. Hope this bit is not as bad as it looks and takes me out of the movie.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
(e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him)
Proposition: Whedon put the infamous "Untron shooting Captain America" as a kind of temper tantrum because he was not allowed to kill any of the major characters.

Ah, you mean someone kept the hack from killing a puppy just because he wanted a cheap emotional shock Fromm the audience and doesn't know how to get one otherwise?

Yeah, no wonder he's pissy.


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Lord Fyre wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
(e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him)
Proposition: Whedon put the infamous "Untron shooting Captain America" as a kind of temper tantrum because he was not allowed to kill any of the major characters.

Ah, you mean someone kept the hack from killing a puppy just because he wanted a cheap emotional shock Fromm the audience and doesn't know how to get one otherwise?

Yeah, no wonder he's pissy.

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Krensky wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
(e.g.: We know they would never kill Captain America, but it breaks immersion when he is barely inconvenienced by stuff that should kill him)
Proposition: Whedon put the infamous "Untron shooting Captain America" as a kind of temper tantrum because he was not allowed to kill any of the major characters.

Ah, you mean someone kept the hack from killing a puppy just because he wanted a cheap emotional shock Fromm the audience and doesn't know how to get one otherwise?

Yeah, no wonder he's pissy.

I'm pretty sure it's more of a case of "This battle looks cool! I don't care if it should've killed one of the characters, I'm keeping it!". It's far from being the only scene where realistic consequences were sacrificed in name of cool visuals... I don't generally care for realism, its just the inconsistency that botheree me a little (These characters have pretty well-established power levels, after all).

That said... It's never so much that it becomes a real issue...

Some really freaking stupid actions/ideas/plans by supposedly smart characters (most notably Tony Stark and Ultron) annoyed me a lot more... Those are the only major flaw I noticed in the movie... All other issues either went unnoticed or were small enough that they didn't bother me.

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Whedon has a habit of killing puppies in the third act to shock the audience and demonstrate that the situation is serious and ANYONE could die.


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Do they explain how cap lives? Seeing this Friday and heard about this. Hope this bit is not as bad as it looks and takes me out of the movie.

I haven't seen it yet, but... if (MCU) Ultron is based on Tony Stark's personality/mental engrams, his ego would want an audience to witness his triumph, and more importantly, that he (Ultron) was right. I think it goes even deeper with Cap, as Tony seems to have unresolved anger/resentment that his dad might be more proud of creating Cap than creating Tony. I would expect Cap would be the second-to-last Ultron would kill, and Tony would be the last.

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Krensky wrote:

Whedon has a habit of killing puppies in the third act to shock the audience and demonstrate that the situation is serious and ANYONE could die.

Well, if director Ming-Ming really wanted to surprise everyone...

I'm worried though that full-blast firehose of ecstatic pure happiness might cause some of Whedon's bigger detractors to choke to death on their giant theater-sized cups of Haterade.

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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Do they explain how cap lives? Seeing this Friday and heard about this. Hope this bit is not as bad as it looks and takes me out of the movie.
I haven't seen it yet, but... if (MCU) Ultron is based on Tony Stark's personality/mental engrams, his ego would want an audience to witness his triumph, and more importantly, that he (Ultron) was right. I think it goes even deeper with Cap, as Tony seems to have unresolved anger/resentment that his dad might be more proud of creating Cap than creating Tony. I would expect Cap would be the second-to-last Ultron would kill, and Tony would be the last.

It's not an issue with a moment in the plot where Ultron chose not to kill Cap, it's an issue with Rogers taking a lethal blow square on in the chest and not even looking as if it hurt him. He shouldn't have survived it at all.

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Lord Snow wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Do they explain how cap lives? Seeing this Friday and heard about this. Hope this bit is not as bad as it looks and takes me out of the movie.
I haven't seen it yet, but... if (MCU) Ultron is based on Tony Stark's personality/mental engrams, his ego would want an audience to witness his triumph, and more importantly, that he (Ultron) was right. I think it goes even deeper with Cap, as Tony seems to have unresolved anger/resentment that his dad might be more proud of creating Cap than creating Tony. I would expect Cap would be the second-to-last Ultron would kill, and Tony would be the last.
It's not an issue with a moment in the plot where Ultron chose not to kill Cap, it's an issue with Rogers taking a lethal blow square on in the chest and not even looking as if it hurt him. He shouldn't have survived it at all.

... Hence my comment above about Joss Whedon's "hissy fit".

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Lord Snow wrote:


It's not an issue with a moment in the plot where Ultron chose not to kill Cap, it's an issue with Rogers taking a lethal blow square on in the chest and not even looking as if it hurt him. He shouldn't have survived it at all.

Yes, thats what I mean. Is Cap hit in the chest while in uniform? if so, maybe the star on the uniform could be mad as same material as the shield and that saved him. I'll buy something like that. But I still have to see how it looks in the movie.

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