Caldeathe Baequiannia Goblin Squad Member |
We had some discussions last night, and lack clarity on how the window works for the towers
Is it first past the post, then the window closes. Or first past the post but you can still keep fighting for the fun-of-it, or last person to hit the counter wins?
i.e., the day after an already held tower is taken, when the window reopens, can the owners (or attackers) get their 1000 points, then be safe in their control until the next day, or can others continue to work to take it (and/or take it back) right through until the original window closes?
If control is secured by the first past the post, I presume the hex still remains free-for-all-PvP for the window's duration?
Nihimon Goblin Squad Member |
The way it worked in Alpha, and we shouldn't expect changes:
The first Company to reach 1,000 Capture Points captures the Tower and the PvP Window closes. Subsequent PvP in that Hex will have normal Reputation consequences.
Defenders cannot close the PvP Window early. Defenders don't gain Capture Points, they merely reduce other Companies' Capture Points, and then only when that Company is no longer gaining Capture Points.
Once a Tower is Captured, the PvP Window is closed for the day. So, once it changes hands, it can't change hands again.
Giorgo Goblin Squad Member |
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Nihimon Goblin Squad Member |
<Kabal> Daeglin Goblin Squad Member |
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In Alpha, one company in a settlement could accumulate points in a tower during its pvp window that was previously claimed by another company in the same settlement. If this remains the case, and companies can "flip" ownership back and forth in order to close the pvp window as soon as possible, would that be considered an exploit to bypass the intent of WoT (more towers = longer pvp window for defending settlement) or an acceptable strategy for pvp-averse settlements?
Nihimon Goblin Squad Member |
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In Alpha, one company in a settlement could accumulate points in a tower during its pvp window that was previously claimed by another company in the same settlement.
When we tested this in late Alpha, it didn't work.
If you saw a Tower that was held by another Company in your Settlement, their name would show in blue instead of in red and you would not be able to gain Capture Points.
Guurzak Goblin Squad Member |
<Kabal> Daeglin Goblin Squad Member |
<Kabal> Daeglin Goblin Squad Member |
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<Kabal> Daeglin wrote:an acceptable strategy for pvp-averse settlements?Strategy #1: Have someone else do your PvP for you.
Strategy #2: Be a company instead of a settlement and see #1.
Or, my personal favorite,
Strategy #3: Get rearpained.Those are the only strategies of which I'm aware. ;P
I don't mind if a settlement does better cause of member numbers. I do mind if they do it by finding ways to hide. Glad that loop hole is closed :D
Thod Goblin Squad Member |
Actually I timed it - Golarion seconds are slower. 5000 Golarion seconds are closer to 1 hour 27 or 26 minutes real time instead of 1 hour 23.
Once ended up in a tower with 998 points when the window closed and I should have had a few minutes spare. I timed it when my 'bonus' points seemed to slowly disappear. Was too far to get a second person moved in when I realized it would be close.
Not much of a difference for practical purpose as everyone has the same time and you have 23 hours - but around 5% slower.
Guurzak Goblin Squad Member |
Nihimon Goblin Squad Member |
Kyutaru Goblin Squad Member |
Yrme Goblin Squad Member |
Thod Goblin Squad Member |
Thod wrote:Actually I timed it - Golarion seconds are slower. 5000 Golarion seconds are closer to 1 hour 27 or 26 minutes real time instead of 1 hour 23.The makes little sense though.
Your company receives one point per person per round. A round is 5 seconds.
Time it. And please remember this is a computer game.
Does the 5 second mean that at 0:00:05 points are distributed, then again at 0:00:10 and again at :00:15 etc
Or does it mean 5 seconds start when you enter the tower - so at 0:00:005 after you entered the tower that the server checked how many points you deserve, is doing calculationa and assigns it and the next 5 seconds start after that is done.
My timings seem to indicate it is the latter and that it takes around 250 millisecond each round for 'housekeeping' that you lose.
So it will depend on implementation if the 5 seconds are 5 seconds. Thinking about it - Ryan once talked about some 'buffer time' that was used for attacks and that was in the range of 300 milliseconds. So possible that the tower time works in the same way which makes a lot of sense.
And the buffer time is added to the 5 seconds and not part of it.
Kobold Catgirl |
If a company is technically part of Settlement A, can they claim towers in the name of Settlement B as part of a mercenary operation? Or can they only claim in the name of the town they get xp from?
And this question is largely a refresher, because it's been ages: Can a company be comprised of members from Settlements A, B, C, and D? Or are companies limited to a strict one-settlement rule?
Kyutaru Goblin Squad Member |
Caldeathe Baequiannia Goblin Squad Member |
When a company claims towers, there are two possibilities:
1) They are allied to a settlement, and the towers go to that settlement
2) They are not allied to a settlement, and the tower hex goes 24 hour PvP.
It is not possible for one character to claim towers for two settlements without first quitting and moving to a new company. (and there may be a cool-down before they can be counted in the new company)
They can, however, help to defend the hex, by standing outside the tower with a bow and fighting off attackers.
Kadere Goblin Squad Member |
We are investigating the case of a Company that leads a Settlement applying to join another Settlement. Since I am not sure what would happen in that case and it's possible that the result would be very bad, please don't do this until we determine what the outcome would be.
Yikes. Anyone who thinks that this is a good idea and attempts it should probably spend some time carefully re-evaluating their life choices.
DeciusBrutus Goblinworks Executive Founder |
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We are investigating the case of a Company that leads a Settlement applying to join another Settlement. Since I am not sure what would happen in that case and it's possible that the result would be very bad, please don't do this until we determine what the outcome would be.
We need to try that on the test server. Two companies, each of which controls a settlement, apply to join the other settlement.
On the test server. All hail Zog.