Okay, first thing... please don't say the following, these answers are obvious and given.
1. Ask your GM.
2. If you are the GM, house rule it.
I also am not asking this in the PFS section of the boards for a reason.
Now, with that out of the way (and I am not meaning to be rude but any time I ask a question the first 4-5 answers are usually some variation of that) I am wondering what is the RAW on Inquisitions? Are you 100% required to take your domain or inquisition from those specifically listed, therefore a minor deity you are limited only to inquisitions?
Specifically, I am looking at an Inquisitor of Shizuru who is also a vampire hunter (and all undead, but mostly vampires because she's also a dhampir kinslayer) so it makes sense to me that the Final Rest Inquisition would work great for her, as not only is Shizuru against undead, but she's also letting her ancestors rest in peace by killing the unnatural undead that they have become.
But, NONE of the minor deities are listed... So that makes me need to ask, are the Inquisitions tied directly to the deities like domains are by the RAW?
Yes, and unfortunately they (non-core deities) have not be expanded to give more detail such as inquisitions their followers qualify for.
That is where house rules and GMs come into play. Sorry that you don't like that answer.
Yes, and unfortunately they (non-core deities) have not be expanded to give more detail such as inquisitions their followers qualify for.
That is where house rules and GMs come into play. Sorry that you don't like that answer.
Well, right I don't so much mind the answer as YOU have given it, because you didn't JUST say "Ask your GM" as a lot of people will do. You answered the question as to what the rules say.
So, thanks! :D
It is unfortunate, but some Inquisitions are locked to certain deities or groups of deities based on domains or portfolios. Though some aren't (like Black Powder Inquisition), most appear to be.
Because non-core deities haven't gotten the same amount of love or consideration, it appears that they haven't been gifted with information about what Inquisitions their followers should qualify for.
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Your options (courtesy Herolab)
Herolab, from what I've found, outside of glitches here and there is very much RAW
Ancestors, Archon (good or law), Black powder Inquisition, Conversion Inquisition, Excommunication Inquisition, Glory, Good, Law, Light, Redemption Inquisition, Reformation Inquisition, Repose, Revelation, Spellkiller Inquisition
Your options (courtesy Herolab)
Herolab, from what I've found, outside of glitches here and there is very much RAWAncestors, Archon (good or law), Black powder Inquisition, Conversion Inquisition, Excommunication Inquisition, Glory, Good, Law, Light, Redemption Inquisition, Reformation Inquisition, Repose, Revelation, Spellkiller Inquisition
Herolab is not a rules source. And while my copy does also assign inquisition available to minor deities, I believe it is based on their portfolios. Unfortunately, unless I have missed a source, at least in Ultimate Magic all the Inquisition with the exception of 1 are restricted to specific deities.
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Herolab is not a rules source. And while my copy does also assign inquisition available to minor deities, I believe it is based on their portfolios. Unfortunately, unless I have missed a source, at least in Ultimate Magic all the Inquisition with the exception of 1 are restricted to specific deities.Your options (courtesy Herolab)
Herolab, from what I've found, outside of glitches here and there is very much RAWAncestors, Archon (good or law), Black powder Inquisition, Conversion Inquisition, Excommunication Inquisition, Glory, Good, Law, Light, Redemption Inquisition, Reformation Inquisition, Repose, Revelation, Spellkiller Inquisition
Just checked. A ten second glance at the first page of the inquisitor page confirmed that the inquisitions can be used by followers of more than one deity. In fact all 3 presented in Ultimate magic are connected to at least two (two, all, and 3) deities.
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While it's true that we haven't listed suggested inquisitions for the minor deities (and are unlikely to do so in an official way anytime soon), in my view, inquisitions are more appropriate choices, overall, for inquisitors who don't worship a deity.
That said, inquisitions are much more of a church-created thing, unlike domains, which are more decided upon by the deity herself, and as such, I would think that there's less restrictions overall on what inquisition any one inquisitor could take—provided that it makes sense for the inquisitor's faith/church to support that type of inquisition. This is VERY much a case where the GM is required to make the final decision.
As regards Hero Lab... I just confirmed that it's possible to give, say, an inquisitor of Shax the Torture inquisition. The program tags it as an error, which is a bit annoying from an OCD viewpoint, but it'll still let you create the character.
I do wish there was a way in Hero Lab where you could tag something as a legal option (such as an inquisitor of Shax taking the Torture inquisition), but it still works fine as-is.
I do wish there was a way in Hero Lab where you could tag something as a legal option (such as an inquisitor of Shax taking the Torture inquisition), but it still works fine as-is.
Yeah, not having "house rule" support is a reason that one of my friends despises ALL character creation software, even those that do have house rule support...
As for listing out minor deity inquisitions in an official capacity, what about a blog post?
Just checked. A ten second glance at the first page of the inquisitor page confirmed that the inquisitions can be used by followers of more than one deity. In fact all 3 presented in Ultimate magic are connected to at least two (two, all, and 3) deities.
I think you misunderstood what I meant.
For example, the conversion Inquisition is available to all deities. But the Fate Inquisition is locked, and only available to Nethys, Norgorber, and Pharasma. It's not available to any other deities, explicitly speaking.
Now James indicated a very reasonable house ruling. As he is the creative director I can find no reasonable reason not to use such an interpretation, but strictly speaking only Nethys, Norgorber, and Pharasma qualify for the fate inquisition despite the fact that there are probably other minor deities whom it would be appropriate for their inquisitors to possess.
I was never saying inquisitions are restricted to a single deity, but they are restricted. That was my point. And the restrictions have no been changed to accommodate minor deities such as the deities of Tian Xia or the Empyreal Lords.
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I do wish there was a way in Hero Lab where you could tag something as a legal option (such as an inquisitor of Shax taking the Torture inquisition), but it still works fine as-is.Yeah, not having "house rule" support is a reason that one of my friends despises ALL character creation software, even those that do have house rule support...
As for listing out minor deity inquisitions in an official capacity, what about a blog post?
The number of deities and the amount of design work it takes to set up and decide those inquisitions, which would further result in a necessary expansion of the available inquisitions with NEW inquisitions, makes such a task far too big of a job for a blog post. And "stranding" that information in a blog post isn't great either. So alas... for now... it's gonna have to lurk in the "it'd be nice if..." category.
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Now James indicated a very reasonable house ruling. As he is the creative director I can find no reasonable reason not to use such an interpretation, but strictly speaking only Nethys, Norgorber, and Pharasma qualify for the fate inquisition despite the fact that there are probably other minor deities whom it would be appropriate for their inquisitors to possess.
That is, unfortunately, a result of us breaking our rule of not using world content in the rulebooks, but only just barely enough. It would have probably been better to find a way to completely file ALL the numbers off, and instead of saying "Nethys and Norgorber," say something like "Deities of magic and thievery."
An even better option would have been to not list deities at all but let the inquisitor decide what ones make sense for the inquisitor.
So, yeah. They're not intended to be restricted. It's just that we don't ever mention any other deities beyond the core 20 in our hardcovers, pretty much. That's why we do products like "Mythic Origins" and the like—to contextualize the new rules contents in the hardcover books within the world of Golarion. We haven't done that yet with inquisitions, because they're a niche category of power for a single class that's far from a common or heavily-used class. Space is always at a premium, and as such we tend to prefer to spend that space on rules support that can be used by multiple classes.
The fact that inquisitions can only be used by ONE class makes it unfortunately difficult to find places to do more support for that variant class feature.
Well, technically any class that has domains can take inquisitions instead but none of them do because spells > inquisition powers.
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That is, unfortunately, a result of us breaking our rule of not using world content in the rulebooks, but only just barely enough. It would have probably been better to find a way to completely file ALL the numbers off, and instead of saying "Nethys and Norgorber," say something like "Deities of magic and thievery."
An even better option would have been to not list deities at all but let the inquisitor decide what ones make sense for the inquisitor.
So, yeah. They're not intended to be restricted. It's just that we don't ever mention any other deities beyond the core 20 in our hardcovers, pretty much. That's why we do products like "Mythic Origins" and the like—to contextualize the new rules contents in the hardcover books within the world of Golarion. We haven't done that yet with inquisitions, because they're a niche category of power for a single class that's far from a common or heavily-used class. Space is always at a premium, and as such we tend to prefer to spend that space on rules support that can be used by multiple classes.
The fact that inquisitions can only be used by ONE class makes it unfortunately difficult to find places to do more support for that variant class feature.
I completely understand the business side restrictions that stop you all from being able to supply such content to us a players. You only have so much time, space, money, etc to put out rules. While it would be nice to have something like this expanded upon, the overal benefit to the game is minimal compared to other content that may be produced. And I have no problem with the very reasonable approach you are suggesting, as a GM I would do exactly what you are suggesting which is look at the theme of deity in question look at the inquisition and the deities associated with it and decide whether it seemed appropriate.
But the original poster was asking for a "RAW" answer, which is unfortunately written in such a way that it does not allow for extrapolation. Now, reasonable people can easily do this...but if these boards have taught me anything it's that many people can be very unreasonable. Even myself at times.
On the topic of space though, have you considered the possibility of blog posts or similar posts on the website here? Space online is essentially unlimited (within reason) and then it's mostly a matter of time spent. I know time is valuable, but it would be a possibility. Kind of how blog posts were used to address above average intelligence of animal companions and such. I know it stinks to have something that is online only, because it means some people may never know about its existence since its not in a book, but something is better than nothing.
Heck, it could even be a slowly updating series of posts. First you cover demon lords in one post, then empyreal lords in the next, etc.