Could pcs worshipping non-existent galaiorn gods be allowed?
Not for clerics or diety based classes mind you but say barbarians or fighters.
The gods do not exist in the game world.
Would you allow it?
It has no bearing on the on the game so it is only flavor for classes such as fighters. I see no reason not to allow it. I might add that the PC is insane or delusional for believing in a deity that does not exist however. Of course he may have some backstory that says he was raised to believe this false deity existed. It is really no different than Razmir(a man pretending to be a deity) being worshipped in Golarion canon.
I might add that the PC is insane or delusional for believing in a deity that does not exist however.
Most of the humans who have ever lived have believed in a deity that does not exist. (Unless we assume that Thor, Zeus, and so on were all real.) Just because there are magic clerics telling you which gods they think you should worship doesn't mean you'll believe them over any other spellcasters and authority figures.
I might add that the PC is insane or delusional for believing in a deity that does not exist however.Most of the humans who have ever lived have believed in a deity that does not exist. (Unless we assume that Thor, Zeus, and so on were all real.) Just because there are magic clerics telling you which gods they think you should worship doesn't mean you'll believe them over any other spellcasters and authority figures.
I did add to that with the following sentence. :)
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I see no reason why the PC couldn't worship a non-deity whether made up completely (like Banjo the Clown Puppet from OotS) or some other being trying to pretend to be a deity. If there are campaign specific penalties for not believing in one of the recognized deities then they would suffer those however (like the after death penalties for unbelievers in Forgotten Realms).
In my homebrew setting, one particular deity/entity named Mau grants spells to people who worship gods that "don't exist". They don't know it IC, although I tell the player OOC what is happening.
Worship anyone. :)
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In my homebrew setting, one particular deity/entity named Mau grants spells to people who worship gods that "don't exist". They don't know it IC, although I tell the player OOC what is happening.
Worship anyone. :)
On the other hand one of my houserules is you worship a god. No thereitical omni representative theory of the cosmis Eye, no vague concept of goodness, no made up gods. If your a cleric (or other religious figure) you serve a god or no spells for you because no one is there to grant them. That said unless you run into a GM who houserules things like me your pretty safe as I believe the official ruling is anything goes you can worship an old beer stein if you genuinely believe its divine.
On the other hand one of my houserules is you worship a god. No thereitical omni representative theory of the cosmis Eye, no vague concept of goodness, no made up gods. If your a cleric (or other religious figure) you serve a god or no spells for you because no one is there to grant them. That said unless you run into a GM who houserules things like me your pretty safe as I believe the official ruling is anything goes you can worship an old beer stein if you genuinely believe its divine.In my homebrew setting, one particular deity/entity named Mau grants spells to people who worship gods that "don't exist". They don't know it IC, although I tell the player OOC what is happening.
Worship anyone. :)
I did expressly state that it was for non mechanically linked classes. If it were a cleric i would agree no spells for you. Still it might be interesting to see how the established faiths deal with an active believer in a non diety especially one aggressively promoting their faith.
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Not sure how this thread has went on as long as it has already. The whole thing is really simplistic. They are playing people in a world that has freedom of choice. If they so desire they could worship anything. Might there be repercussions or cause/effects for doing so? Sure, but to say that a PC can't worship whatever they want is the same as saying a Wizard can't swing a sword at a monster. The wizard might not be proficient at it but he probably doesn't give a damn.
Actually... I don't understand the question.
When you say, "Would you allow it?" what do you mean? How would you propose stopping it? Would you actually step in and say, "No, your character doesn't do/say that." Are you proposing to impose yourself on player's character's actions in that way?
Besides Razmir, there are a lot of monsters that trick or coerce people into worshiping them as gods. Krakens, for instance.
And I am sure that there are a half dozen fiends that have this as their MO. Nemesis devils specifically, since they are ancient spirits that were worshiped as gods and later looked to hell to kickstart a comeback. They even get the ability to fake being a god, and can grant SLAs associated with their 'domain' to mortals via a mark (it is of course a succubus type deal where he can dismiss it and wreck the mortal up)
This is doable even in PFS, though it can be tricky. If I recall, PFS characters are only allowed to worship 1 diety, though they can acknowledge others (Paladin of Iomedae on good terms with Clerics of Sarenrae). You can also not have a diety, either by being aethiest or just not caring about religion in general.
I have one character (Figus Daringdrive The Gnomish Character From The Dead Pool) who worships a diety known as Kyle Steinmar (me). As a gnome, many characters thinks he's a little weird (ha) already, but seeing him make random choices by rolling his d20 (once resulting in him keeping an eye on an unconscious and bound prisoner by lying next to him on the bed and staring at him). Deadpool-esque characters are difficult to play without metagaming, but their quirks can lead strange things like worshipping a non-existant god.
Unless it is a Banjo the Clown situation in which the character invents the deity, the player is asking for lore and communities to be added to the setting.
Which can be okay, or not. It's up to you and your player if it would make a good addition to the world.
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This is doable even in PFS, though it can be tricky. If I recall, PFS characters are only allowed to worship 1 diety, though they can acknowledge others (Paladin of Iomedae on good terms with Clerics of Sarenrae). You can also not have a diety, either by being aethiest or just not caring about religion in general.
I have one character (Figus Daringdrive The Gnomish Character From The Dead Pool) who worships a diety known as Kyle Steinmar (me). As a gnome, many characters thinks he's a little weird (ha) already, but seeing him make random choices by rolling his d20 (once resulting in him keeping an eye on an unconscious and bound prisoner by lying next to him on the bed and staring at him). Deadpool-esque characters are difficult to play without metagaming, but their quirks can lead strange things like worshipping a non-existant god.
Which always annoys me a little why can't my character just not have a deity they worship. Yes there are gods, yes they'll have to chose one somtime but they're young and believe themselves invicible (typical teenager) so they haven't actually found a god that suits them yet.
I admit the atheist/agnostic approach wouldn't work that well in pathfinder where you have plenty of proof of the various gods existence but I'd like to be able to play a character who either hasn't picked a god yet or just generically pays homage to all of them. "I ainta no cleric now so Isa not gonna offend some being far above me concerns by worshiping some other being far above me concerns." So sayeth Ralkge the 7 int fighter.
This is doable even in PFS, though it can be tricky. If I recall, PFS characters are only allowed to worship 1 diety, though they can acknowledge others (Paladin of Iomedae on good terms with Clerics of Sarenrae). You can also not have a diety, either by being aethiest or just not caring about religion in general.
I have one character (Figus Daringdrive The Gnomish Character From The Dead Pool) who worships a diety known as Kyle Steinmar (me). As a gnome, many characters thinks he's a little weird (ha) already, but seeing him make random choices by rolling his d20 (once resulting in him keeping an eye on an unconscious and bound prisoner by lying next to him on the bed and staring at him). Deadpool-esque characters are difficult to play without metagaming, but their quirks can lead strange things like worshipping a non-existant god.
Which always annoys me a little why can't my character just not have a deity they worship. Yes there are gods, yes they'll have to chose one somtime but they're young and believe themselves invicible (typical teenager) so they haven't actually found a god that suits them yet.
I admit the atheist/agnostic approach wouldn't work that well in pathfinder where you have plenty of proof of the various gods existence but I'd like to be able to play a character who either hasn't picked a god yet or just generically pays homage to all of them. "I ainta no cleric now so Isa not gonna offend some being far above me concerns by worshiping some other being far above me concerns." So sayeth Ralkge the 7 int fighter.
Especially weird is how you are expected to practice monotheism in a world where polytheism should realistically be the norm; it is known and factually proven that many gods exist, it shouldn't be shocking and heretical to pray to Gozreh when you want good weather and to Gorum when you want victory in battle. I can see gods like Asmodeus being selfish and expecting you to serve only him but that'd be the exception, not the rule.
Wait…You can't play an undecided character in PFS? Ultimate Campaign has "Undecided: You have remained undecided when it comes to your faith, but are accepting of others' faiths and are at least somewhat open to the idea of joining an organized faith should you find one that strikes your fancy. You gain access to the Ease of Faith faith trait."
Is that disallowed in Society play? That would seem like a crazy oversight on Paizo's part, if that's true. Why restrict such a major part of character philosophy and personal motivations?
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Mechanically, you can only have one god from which you receive benefits from, be it as a prerequisite for feats, domains, etc. for PFS. Thematically, you can have your character worship multiple gods. My half-elf investigator is a true-neutral worshipper of Irori, Calistria and Norgorber's Reaper of Reputation aspect. Their knowledge/secrets aspect are things that they hold near and dear.
In PFS if you play a class they gains powers from a deity(Cleric, Inquisitor, Paladin in PFS, etc.) you can only have one god that you gain such powers from but can 'worship' a pantheon of gods in flavor. For any class that doesn't gain their powers from a deity such as Non-Divine classes, Oracles, Druids, etc. you can worship as many deities as you want or worship things that you believe are deities but are not, if you ever want to gain something like a feat or anything that requires the worship of a deity you must write them as being worshiped and can't get any mechanical benefits from worshiping another deity.