UnArcaneElection |
One should think of things that will be useful for getting started but that can be made/repaired in the destination world using local resources (including the local technology), because sooner or later, something bad is going to happen to the stuff you bring, not necessarily waiting for its natural depletion/expiration. Electronic/electrical devices and most guns do not meet this criterion.
BigDTBone |
13 STR - 150lbs
Trade Goods -
500 disposable lighters (20 lbs)
160 crappy LED flashlights (10 lbs)
1000 crappy ink pens (10 lbs)
80 crappy digital watches (10 lbs)
80 solar scientific calculators (20 lbs)
Cocaine (20 lbs)
Twinkies (10 lbs)
Personal Gear -
100 treble fish hooks
50 lb test fish line
Fishing pole
K-bar
Leatherman
Whetstone
Good Boots
Good Jacket w/ removable liner
Gloves
Harness Leather Belt
A Frakking Hat
Wool Scarf
Sunglasses
Extra Socks
550 Paracord
Iodine Tablets
50 Clif Bars
50 GU Energy Gels
Aluminum Water Bottle
Camel Pak
Deodorant
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Hatchet/Hammer/Claw
Machete
Bug Spray
Extra Contacts
iPod with music
iPad with books
handcrank charger
Extra headphones
Backpack, Cargo pants, pocket vest.
Dexion1619 |
All the guys with the guns are funny.
How many of you are actually good with a gun? I mean really good with one in combat.
You're talking about the one thing, that's both an extremely limited resource and the thing jut about anyone who saw it would be trying to kill you to steal.
Just keep in mind, while this might generally be true, its not in all cases. I can't speak for anyone else, but I do have that type of training (fortunately i have never had to use that training, but i do practice USPSA for fun, and to keep some skills sharp). Not only that, but given some basic tools, I could make basic firearms with local materials.
Whats in my head is FAR more valuable than anything I could carry with me. Give me the resources and time, and I'll build a Lathe. Give me a Lathe, resources and enough time, and I'll make you damn near anything.
IF I were to bring a fire arm I would want a 22 revolver could easily carry ten times the ammo of any other weapon and could feed me nearly indefinitely. a Rifle would be the other , the distance capability would far outweigh the usefulness of something like a handgun.
Agree 100% To be honest, the first thing I thought of was a scoped 10/22. Super light weight, durable, reliable and accurate. (SP101 .22 revolver would be a close second) The reason I didn't point this out myself was that a lot of people seem to drastically underestimate and misunderstand the usefulness of a .22 and I didn't feel like having to go over all of that.
As a backpacker, the other aspects (katadyn filter, medical supplies, cutting tools, fire starting) are all old hat to me (I cheat with the fire, I use a blast match if my lighter is out lol).
Its amazing to me the scope of people these boards have. We have everything from Machinists and Mechanics to Doctors and Students. People with decades of military experience, and people who have never left the suburbs (or there parents house). Sometimes it's hard for people to realize that everyone has different life experience.
Ashtathlon |
Blah lists...
Being one of those with alot of realworld experience..retired paratrooper combat deployments..blah blah blah....
A couple thousand books on a reader device (micro fiche what not) a solar charger reader or charger, for same.
a weapon carbine..m4 or whatever works best..with a ACOG..some ammo.
Really good boots..I mean really good...
Best silkies money can buy..socks etc.
basic fire starting stuff..magnifying glass..mag starter etc.
a really good knife and tomahawk.
Goretex stuff..as per individual.
Compass, rechargeable batteries for above charger and some quality NODS.
bring a good trauma first aid kit.
water filtration pump and camel back..with a good old canteen
some simple food whatever..you want.
and of course a good way to carry this stuff..a quality ruck molle system.
Then make friends when there...use your exhaustive library of books on ..science ..engineering chemistry..metalworking etc..to make yourself valuable...get rich and have a interesting life.
Mostly the stuff you bring is to keep you a alive for a couple weeks until you find a niche in the world.
Oh and learn to ride a horse..I already did that as a kid..but you would be amazed how many people have no clue on riding. ( I teach wounded warriors now as a therapy to ride..and its mostly a lost art even with physically active people.)
ngc7293 |
I have seen this kind of question on a Star Trek forum and the general idea is that the people going to the place is that they seem to know all about the destination.
In the Star Trek forum, the people knew they were going aboard the Enterprise and are acting accordingly. Here people are going to Golarion and since they know that world they are acting accordingly.
My question to the OP is: Do the people entering this world know WHAT it is (Golarion) and can thus act accordingly? (ex. 'you come out somewhere east of Sandpoint')
If everyone assumes this is Golarion, why isn't anyone taking any of their gaming maps?
Steel Horse |
While carrying a gun is not a bad idea, I doubt you'll be able to produce the primers as precisely as needed without an industry (or, I guess, magic), not to mention getting the right mix of gunpowder.
I wonder if there's a documentary about how hard it'd be to produce a working bullet if you were only allowed raw materials. It'd be entertaining.
Making gunpowder-powered projectiles really isn't that hard. Kirk did it in like five minutes.
robert best 549 |
Before going to Golarion/whatever, do we get to research how to use the local magic? Or do we have to assume that Earth's planetary Anti-Magic Field prevents this?
(And how are we making the trip anyway?)
EDIT: And how come nobody in this thread remembered to take their dog?
I did remember my dog or cat. Also a light mode of transportation.
Pendagast |
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While most modern humans might have more physical potential our affluent society made a lot of us overweight and weak. In other words unfit for survival situations and a harsh medieval world.
That's a misnomer.
1) that completely depends on where you are actually from/live. You're kinda implying that coach potato city dwellers of the USA are "everyone" in the modern world.2) overweight actually adds to survivability (maybe not ground speed) over thinner people.
3) large doesn't necessary equal weak.
4) disease and famine were #1 killers, If heart disease/diabetes end up killing you in your early 50s you are still outliving most people in feudal times by a decade or more. humans weren't busying themselves trying to run away from velociraptors.
5) fat people would lose weight pretty fast, you actually have to work to eat, there is no fast food, or convenience stores, complex sugars and carbs are pretty rare in food of the era.
6) The american military soldier/sailor has been listed in many written works as being the most powerful, deadly, and professional soldier the world has ever seen…. Most of those soldiers are being put through a 13 week ringer and begin their lives as fat lazy American teenagers.
Still way ahead of their feudal/medieval ancestors…
Most kids of the era grew up sick with something, drinking bad water, or malnourished, things that effected them their entire lives (and made it much shorter)… fat people can, for the most part, become un-fat… hunger is a great motivator… If you start out larger, stronger and smarter with 4-5 inches of "stored" calories, you will out last your thin sick competition handily.
Shows like survivor showed that pretty graphically.
Pendagast |
I have seen this kind of question on a Star Trek forum and the general idea is that the people going to the place is that they seem to know all about the destination.
In the Star Trek forum, the people knew they were going aboard the Enterprise and are acting accordingly. Here people are going to Golarion and since they know that world they are acting accordingly.
My question to the OP is: Do the people entering this world know WHAT it is (Golarion) and can thus act accordingly? (ex. 'you come out somewhere east of Sandpoint')
If everyone assumes this is Golarion, why isn't anyone taking any of their gaming maps?
IF it is in fact golarion you are going to… there's a BIG problem.
1) JJ has stated the world is pretty much, a lot like the modern world, expect with magic instead of technology…. which means they are all as big, healthy and intelligent as we are…. So we would be and a MASSIVE disadvantage going there.
They have, understand, and in many cases can USE magic.
We are all non magical, untrained (for the most part) in armored sword play… yea… doesn't sound like too much fun.
Id probably be a 3rd level warrior there. ( I dunno maybe a fighter)
Pendagast |
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13 STR - 150lbs
Trade Goods -
500 disposable lighters (20 lbs)
160 crappy LED flashlights (10 lbs)
1000 crappy ink pens (10 lbs)
80 crappy digital watches (10 lbs)
80 solar scientific calculators (20 lbs)
Cocaine (20 lbs)
Twinkies (10 lbs)Personal Gear -
100 treble fish hooks
50 lb test fish line
Fishing pole
K-bar
Leatherman
Whetstone
Good Boots
Good Jacket w/ removable liner
Gloves
Harness Leather Belt
A Frakking Hat
Wool Scarf
Sunglasses
Extra Socks
550 Paracord
Iodine Tablets
50 Clif Bars
50 GU Energy Gels
Aluminum Water Bottle
Camel Pak
Deodorant
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Hatchet/Hammer/Claw
Machete
Bug Spray
Extra Contacts
iPod with music
iPad with books
handcrank charger
Extra headphones
Backpack, Cargo pants, pocket vest.
Big D, you would be better off with Meth over cocaine… more addictive, more immediate response from use… hitler preferred it for spiking his combat shock troops…. Meth should also (even in Golarion) be easier to replicate.
Deadmanwalking |
4) disease and famine were #1 killers, If heart disease/diabetes end up killing you in your early 50s you are still outliving most people in feudal times by a decade or more.
I actually agree with the rest of your post for the most part, but I'd like to note that this bit is actually based on a profound misconception regarding medieval mortality rates. When statistics state the average lifespan as 35, that doesn't mean people actually usually died around that age. It includes infant mortality, which was often as high as 30-50%. So...if one third or half of people die before the age of 5, that makes an 'average lifespan' of 35 years more like 50-70.
That's still less than it is now, even including things like diabetes, so the point stands, but the actual numbers are quite wrong and misleading.
Senko |
I have seen this kind of question on a Star Trek forum and the general idea is that the people going to the place is that they seem to know all about the destination.
In the Star Trek forum, the people knew they were going aboard the Enterprise and are acting accordingly. Here people are going to Golarion and since they know that world they are acting accordingly.
My question to the OP is: Do the people entering this world know WHAT it is (Golarion) and can thus act accordingly? (ex. 'you come out somewhere east of Sandpoint')
If everyone assumes this is Golarion, why isn't anyone taking any of their gaming maps?
Read my posts for a counter view on the range of medieval fantasy world's you could wind up in.
ngc7293 |
Read my posts for a counter view on the range of medieval fantasy world's you could wind up in.
Did so. The closest Will.Spenser came to a 'world' was mentioning the clerics were more powerful than modern science or something like that. That could be any world. But people have posted here as if they were going straight away to Golarion which made me think "metagaming". I wanted to know from him if we somehow knew the destination was Golarion.
As was said, things would change because of that world change.
Senko |
Senko wrote:Read my posts for a counter view on the range of medieval fantasy world's you could wind up in.Did so. The closest Will.Spenser came to a 'world' was mentioning the clerics were more powerful than modern science or something like that. That could be any world. But people have posted here as if they were going straight away to Golarion which made me think "metagaming". I wanted to know from him if we somehow knew the destination was Golarion.
As was said, things would change because of that world change.
I was wondering wondering the same thing.
UnArcaneElection |
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As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. So if you go to Golarion now, things will have had almost a century to change relative to published materials, assuming that your journey itself didn't take a long time. Granted, Golarion social evolution is generally glacially slow, but the odd civil war/revolution/invasion can happen, and the alleged death of Aroden might have sped this up for more than just the phenomena documented as being linked to this.
Pendagast |
Pendagast wrote:
4) disease and famine were #1 killers, If heart disease/diabetes end up killing you in your early 50s you are still outliving most people in feudal times by a decade or more.I actually agree with the rest of your post for the most part, but I'd like to note that this bit is actually based on a profound misconception regarding medieval mortality rates. When statistics state the average lifespan as 35, that doesn't mean people actually usually died around that age. It includes infant mortality, which was often as high as 30-50%. So...if one third or half of people die before the age of 5, that makes an 'average lifespan' of 35 years more like 50-70.
That's still less than it is now, even including things like diabetes, so the point stands, but the actual numbers are quite wrong and misleading.
How many people do you know of, even at the turn of the 20th century that lived until 70?
My father was the first male in our family to make it to 70 and died very shortly after his 70th B-day. While some of those males died in ww2 and vietnam, the vast majority kicked the bucket right around 55, for various diseases/health conditions… which wasn't all that uncommon for men born in the earlier 1900s.
VERY few people made it even close to 70 back then…. although it's semi common now a days… you'd actually be pretty surprised how many people don't make it to 70, even now. Even though child mortality was common back then, birth rates were higher than they are now, by quite a bit, so your concept of the "averages" isn't nearly as skewed as you are imagining they are.
People with lots of time on their hands, and degrees on the subject spent a lot of time studying this topic, and teach it in universities, which is where I learned it (went to school for anthropology/sociology) so Im pretty sure their take on things was pretty well researched before they bother to teach it.
statistically (and this is kind of ironic) violent deaths (which include things like car accidents) are more common now, than they were in those days. We think of those times as sword swinging and wars, but it was more about suffering/enduring than swashbuckling.
Pendagast |
As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. So if you go to Golarion now, things will have had almost a century to change relative to published materials, assuming that your journey itself didn't take a long time. Granted, Golarion social evolution is generally glacially slow, but the odd civil war/revolution/invasion can happen, and the alleged death of Aroden might have sped this up for more than just the phenomena documented as being linked to this.
where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
Pendagast |
Senko wrote:Read my posts for a counter view on the range of medieval fantasy world's you could wind up in.Did so. The closest Will.Spenser came to a 'world' was mentioning the clerics were more powerful than modern science or something like that. That could be any world. But people have posted here as if they were going straight away to Golarion which made me think "metagaming". I wanted to know from him if we somehow knew the destination was Golarion.
As was said, things would change because of that world change.
either way, IF magic exists where you would be going, wouldn't clerics still be more powerful than modern science?
Deadmanwalking |
How many people do you know of, even at the turn of the 20th century that lived until 70?
My grandpa died something like 10-15 years ago in his late 90s. Since you ask. My grandma on the same side was also in her 90s when she died a few years after that. My mother's family admittedly died somewhat younger, but living that long isn't impossible or even absurdly rare, just a bit unusual. I can think of a few more if given time...
My father was the first male in our family to make it to 70 and died very shortly after his 70th B-day. While some of those males died in ww2 and vietnam, the vast majority kicked the bucket right around 55, for various diseases/health conditions… which wasn't all that uncommon for men born in the earlier 1900s.
Not uncommon, no. But not universal either. You'll note that I listed 70 as the high end. In fact, my specific statement was '50-70' for average age of death among those who reach adulthood in the first place...which includes the 'right around 55' number you cite.
But you were saying that 'most people' died a decade or more before the age of 50...so at 35-40. Not 55. And that is possibly technically true due to infant mortality, but certainly not true of people who made it through the childhood illnesses.
VERY few people made it even close to 70 back then…. although it's semi common now a days… you'd actually be pretty surprised how many people don't make it to 70, even now. Even though child mortality was common back then, birth rates were higher than they are now, by quite a bit, so your concept of the "averages" isn't nearly as skewed as you are imagining they are.
Yes it is. It doesn't matter what the birth rate was. It's purely about the number of people who died at what age. That's how statistics work (for mean and median death averages anyway, and possibly mode, too, depending on how you're measuring and the precise numbers we're talking about).
Now, I'm not saying 70 was actually the standard for how long people lived back then, but it was probably closer to that than it was to 40.
People with lots of time on their hands, and degrees on the subject spent a lot of time studying this topic, and teach it in universities, which is where I learned it (went to school for anthropology/sociology) so Im pretty sure their take on things was pretty well researched before they bother to teach it.
Funny, that's the kind of place where I learned what I'm saying, too. Plus, y'know, research methods and statistics classes.
statistically (and this is kind of ironic) violent deaths (which include things like car accidents) are more common now, than they were in those days. We think of those times as sword swinging and wars, but it was more about suffering/enduring than swashbuckling.
Like I said, I don't actually disagree with your main point, just your specific numbers on what age people died at.
Senko |
UnArcaneElection wrote:As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. So if you go to Golarion now, things will have had almost a century to change relative to published materials, assuming that your journey itself didn't take a long time. Granted, Golarion social evolution is generally glacially slow, but the odd civil war/revolution/invasion can happen, and the alleged death of Aroden might have sped this up for more than just the phenomena documented as being linked to this.
where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
One of the AP's involves a trip to one of the wars WW1 or WW2 pretty sure it's the first one
Which is anothrr thought who's to say all the AP's ended well. You could wind up in a Golarion where the worldwound burst open and no one could stand against them, second darkness occurred and Val Kilmer roams loose.
UnArcaneElection |
UnArcaneElection wrote:As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. {.
.}where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
I have also seen what you say (but not directly from JJ), but then Reign of Winter (4712/4713)
Will.Spencer |
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For weapons, I probably would want more than a handgun. A handgun is fine for close range combat with other humans, but you might end up in the wild facing a bear and that won't do it.
Or a troll. ;)
I like rifles and am not the type to feel comfortable bringing a handgun to a gun fight, but... weight is a major consideration and I am figuring that most fights are going to be fairly short-range.
Hopefully by the time I ran out of ammo I'd have enough combat experience to make do with what was available.
Or, as you would be the most knowledable engineer in that world, you would probably have a whole bunch of big dumb fighters protecting you after a short while in-world.
I would bring medical gear because even if I knew about fantasy clerics I wouldn't assume that one would be readily available wherever I "landed."
My personal first aid kit weighs about 30lbs. For weight, I'd leave it all on this side and tough it out until I could buy a few potions of Cure Light Wounds.
If the cash doesn't matter then you can get a really light one of you are willing to spend the dough.
I figure that most people will max their credit cards before leaving this plane. :D
I would not bother carrying anything with me that ran on electricity.
This is how I traditionally think, but the possibility of using solar power to run a notepad means that I could take hundreds of times more books with me... and that is just too tempting.
Of course, I would want to take three of everything electronic for redundancy purposes.
Books would be far more precious that any other item imaginable.
Yep. The last few hundreds of years of science have produced levels of wealth unimaginable to our own ancestors. And you would be the only person in that plane with much of that knowledge.
Instructions for the disposition of my corpse because there's nothing I could bring that would keep me from being kobold food in a matter of minutes.
I'm pretty sure Glock beats Kobold. ;)
2. Camel Pack, portable uv water sterilization system, and portable filtration system.
I might be tempted to devote some weight to that... or maybe just a bunch of chlorine tablets.
2. MP5 sub machine gun 10 magazines
Full-auto wouldn't make a lot of sense when the ammo store is in another plane of existence.
4. As much 9mm ammunition as i can carry.
I went .40 because it gets me a bit more power with almost the same weight.
A large variety of seeds and other agricultural items.Modern seeds could be really awesome. In a few years, you could enable the locals to massively increase their farming productivity.
How many of you are actually good with a gun? I mean really good with one in combat.
Most of us are better with guns than we are with swords, maces, or bows. ;)
Personally, I have done a lot of tactical shooting training and... I am still not very good. But, I am better with the gun than without it.
IF we are talking about actual medieval lands/times and not fantasy, modern humans are much larger and stronger than our past ancestors. the typical high school jock would make viking barbarians look like sidekicks. So I wouldn't worry too much about combat dominance.
They are also more practiced. Most of us here don't have that much actual combat experience.
Healthwise the majority of modern humans have been inoculated, traveling back in time we would be nearly immune to most of their diseases.
Ahh... but we're not traveling back in time... we're traveling to another plane of existence.
IF I were to bring a fire arm I would want a 22 revolver could easily carry ten times the ammo of any other weapon and could feed me nearly indefinitely.
Weight wise, you would be better off with trade good such as gems to feed yourself.
The ammo problem was why I decided to bring slingshots. Whyle the steel balls I bring will run out, it is fairly easy to make lead ones. Or anything else that is round. Stones, glass pebbles etc.
I'd just buy a sling there.
A musket. Gunpowder is easy to make (if you find the incredients) and again, lead balls are easy, too.
It is tempting to bring a black-powder rifle... as a template for manufacturing more...
One should think of things that will be useful for getting started but that can be made/repaired in the destination world using local resources (including the local technology), because sooner or later, something bad is going to happen to the stuff you bring, not necessarily waiting for its natural depletion/expiration. Electronic/electrical devices and most guns do not meet this criterion.
I'm figuring 1,000 rounds of .40 should last me until I get enough big dumb fighters to do my fighting for me while I sit in the castle and perfect my plans for world domination.
Trade Goods -
500 disposable lighters (20 lbs)
160 crappy LED flashlights (10 lbs)
1000 crappy ink pens (10 lbs)
I was thinking of gems for trade goods, but these could work even better.
The closest Will.Spenser came to a 'world' was mentioning the clerics were more powerful than modern science or something like that. That could be any world. But people have posted here as if they were going straight away to Golarion which made me think "metagaming". I wanted to know from him if we somehow knew the destination was Golarion.
I purposefully didn't list a specific fantasy world, to keep the topic from being too limited and to see what people came up with. It seems to me that The Tough Guide to Fantasyland: The Essential Guide to Fantasy Travel makes many good points about "most" fantasy worlds being almost the same. (Yes, I expect some rules lawyer to list a dozen exceptions...)
Ms. Pleiades |
Pendagast wrote:UnArcaneElection wrote:As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. {.
.}where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
I have also seen what you say (but not directly from JJ), but then Reign of Winter (4712/4713) ** spoiler omitted **.
So you mean to tell me you'd believe that Baba Yaga can send people across the multiverse, but not time? When in the Campaign Setting book, the exact stipulation is that 4711 = 2011, with each year proceeding along at the same rate in both universes?
Okay...
Senko |
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UnArcaneElection wrote:Pendagast wrote:UnArcaneElection wrote:As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. {.
.}where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
I have also seen what you say (but not directly from JJ), but then Reign of Winter (4712/4713) ** spoiler omitted **.
So you mean to tell me you'd believe that Baba Yaga can send people across the multiverse, but not time? When in the Campaign Setting book, the exact stipulation is that 4711 = 2011, with each year proceeding along at the same rate in both universes?
Okay...
Time travel is a lot harder than travelling across a unvierse/planes and considering the events of that AP there's not really a reason to assume time travel's involved. The campaign setting is not something I've read.
UnArcaneElection |
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I figure that most people will max their credit cards before leaving this plane. :D {. . .}
That will earn you a visit from the Hellknight Order of the Chain, which your credit card companies will have contracted by way of the Order of the Gate.
{. . .}
I'm pretty sure Glock beats Kobold. ;) {. . .}
Yes, but Glock won't beat a horde of Kobolds, so be careful out there.
Senko wrote:Time travel is a lot harder than travelling across a unvierse/planesUuuh, source cite?
I don't know about time travel being harder, but it does open up more cans of worms . . . .
Caimbuel |
I would say that as a vet of both army combat engineer and navy nuclear engineer. I have been inoculated for every occasion on earth, can reliably hit targets at 300 yards and know alot about modern tactics, survival, and physics. May be a rare combo tho.
For gear a sniper rifle with sound supression, ammo, a modern sled or wagon to mount to a bike, 3 to 5 small light handguns as they wear out some and can break. If portal was big enough scratch bike and just a horse for me and 2 pack horses. Injures from combat can be lanced, so pills for infection is all.
As others have said tho, if no people to cone with, I would be leary at best, as I sleep and pathfinder is built for a party.
Books are fine but they don't last in weather long, study before you go, but 90% of the us understands more of physics, applied that is then any pathfinder person.
Senko |
Senko wrote:Time travel is a lot harder than travelling across a unvierse/planesUuuh, source cite?
I admit its more of an inference than a hard citing. Its based on the fact there's official published content involving teleportation (5th levelish spells), planar travel (7th levelish spells), interplanetary travel (9th level spell) all of which are within player reach if barely. However the only published item or content I've seen involving time travel is the scepter of ages in the pathfinder campaign setting artifacts and legends. This is an artifact and contains at the very start of the laws of time section . . .
Laws of Time: The Scepter of Ages is the key to time traveling adventures, and all the perils and conundrums such stories entail. If a GM does not want time traveling elements in her game, is it strongly recommended that she not use the Scepter of Ages.
Which to me implies the only way in pathfinder to travel through time is with this artifact (or presumably another one equally strong). Hence my assumption time travel is harder you can teleport around a planet with 5th level magic, through the planes with 7th, around the universe with 9th but to travel in time you need artifact or divine level power.
Pendagast |
Pendagast wrote:UnArcaneElection wrote:As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. {.
.}where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
I have also seen what you say (but not directly from JJ), but then Reign of Winter (4712/4713) ** spoiler omitted **.
the Hut can traverse space and time.
The AP has nothing to do with the current year in Golarion.Pendagast |
I would say that as a vet of both army combat engineer and navy nuclear engineer. I have been inoculated for every occasion on earth, can reliably hit targets at 300 yards and know alot about modern tactics, survival, and physics. May be a rare combo tho.
For gear a sniper rifle with sound supression, ammo, a modern sled or wagon to mount to a bike, 3 to 5 small light handguns as they wear out some and can break. If portal was big enough scratch bike and just a horse for me and 2 pack horses. Injures from combat can be lanced, so pills for infection is all.
As others have said tho, if no people to cone with, I would be leary at best, as I sleep and pathfinder is built for a party.
Books are fine but they don't last in weather long, study before you go, but 90% of the us understands more of physics, applied that is then any pathfinder person.
hah! that's the first vote for a bike that Ive seen! Interesting.
most modern handguns will run out of ammo you can carry for them before they will "wear out".
Magic is more or less the understanding and ability to manipulate physics, so I wouldn't say modern humans are more intelligent than Golarion humans.
IF we were going to feudal europe or japan, true… Golarion? I doubt we would have any kind of advantage.
Senko |
UnArcaneElection wrote:Pendagast wrote:UnArcaneElection wrote:As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. {.
.}where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
I have also seen what you say (but not directly from JJ), but then Reign of Winter (4712/4713) ** spoiler omitted **.
the Hut can traverse space and time.
The AP has nothing to do with the current year in Golarion.
I'd really like to know where your getting this from. I don't recall anything in the huts write up about timetravel and everything else in that Ap happens linearly so I see no reason to assume it suddenly chose an earlier time for that part
Citation I was please that proves part 6 of winters reign involves time travel and no referring to another book. Since later ones normally superseed earlier ones and even if they didn't I'd find it more likely the winters reign writers were unfamiliar with one obscure reference and wrote this LINKED time rather than any timetravel.
ngc7293 |
ngc7293 wrote:either way, IF magic exists where you would be going, wouldn't clerics still be more powerful than modern science?Senko wrote:Read my posts for a counter view on the range of medieval fantasy world's you could wind up in.Did so. The closest Will.Spenser came to a 'world' was mentioning the clerics were more powerful than modern science or something like that. That could be any world. But people have posted here as if they were going straight away to Golarion which made me think "metagaming". I wanted to know from him if we somehow knew the destination was Golarion.
As was said, things would change because of that world change.
Could a Cleric of Sarenrae cure Epilepsy? I would say they would need a Wish or Miracle. I have no clue what it would cost for such a thing. If I went to a town would a Cleric know that I had a Neurological problem?
I doubt it. It's the reason I said no to this "Three Hour Tour".Ms. Pleiades |
UnArcaneElection wrote:Pendagast wrote:UnArcaneElection wrote:As long as we're talking about actual Golarion, keep in mind that Golarion 4712/4713 corresponds to Earth 1919. {.
.}where did you get this from?
I thought JJ said 2013= 4713…to keep everything basically in the same year/marching order… where are you getting the 1919 thing from?
I have also seen what you say (but not directly from JJ), but then Reign of Winter (4712/4713) ** spoiler omitted **.
the Hut can traverse space and time.
The AP has nothing to do with the current year in Golarion.
The Hut is on loan from The Doctor.
Vod Canockers |
Pendagast wrote:ngc7293 wrote:either way, IF magic exists where you would be going, wouldn't clerics still be more powerful than modern science?Senko wrote:Read my posts for a counter view on the range of medieval fantasy world's you could wind up in.Did so. The closest Will.Spenser came to a 'world' was mentioning the clerics were more powerful than modern science or something like that. That could be any world. But people have posted here as if they were going straight away to Golarion which made me think "metagaming". I wanted to know from him if we somehow knew the destination was Golarion.
As was said, things would change because of that world change.
Could a Cleric of Sarenrae cure Epilepsy? I would say they would need a Wish or Miracle. I have no clue what it would cost for such a thing. If I went to a town would a Cleric know that I had a Neurological problem?
I doubt it. It's the reason I said no to this "Three Hour Tour".
A Heal spell should do it.
BigDTBone |
BigDTBone wrote:Uuh... remove disease?Disease in the Pathfinder sense seems to be limited to those caused by Pathogens, as opposed to the English usage, which is expanding to cover everything.
I don't see any indication that a naturally occurring medical disorder would not be cured by that spell.
ngc7293 |
Whether you come up with a fancy answer for yea or nay, how does one know that this world has the "healing factor". Most people can get by with cuts and broken bones, but with someone like me with a mental disorder that needs lots of medication, I would need some kind of proof that someone on the other side has a cure.
Is the OP now saying that we just know that the mysterious world has magic and can cure all, etc.? It's Golarion just like in our Pathfinder books? Or is it a fantasy realm with Gods and Clerics that can cure all problems etc, etc, etc.
Vod Canockers |
Vod Canockers wrote:I don't see any indication that a naturally occurring medical disorder would not be cured by that spell.BigDTBone wrote:Uuh... remove disease?Disease in the Pathfinder sense seems to be limited to those caused by Pathogens, as opposed to the English usage, which is expanding to cover everything.
Would Remove Disease cure naturally occurring genetic blindness?
Will.Spencer |
Would Remove Disease cure naturally occurring genetic blindness?
It would remove the underlying condition that caused the blindness, but you would still be blind. ;)
In the same way that Remove Disease would cure cancer, but wouldn't restore all the hit points you lost to cancer.
To see again, you would need Remove Blindness-Deafness. If your eyes were missing, you would need Regenerate.
UnArcaneElection |
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Stumbled upon Earth's page on PathfinderWiki.com, which has something to say about conversion between Earth and Golarion calendars -- seems I was off by 1 year a few posts above: 4713 AR = 1918 AD, so add 2795 years to the Earth's Gregorian calendar to get the Golarion's Aroden Reckoning(*) year. Of course, this could reasonably be expected to drift over time -- Golarion's year is probably off from Earth's year by at least a hair.
(*)Not sure if Golarion has other calendars that are still in widespread use, the way Earth does (even though it isn't immediately obvious in the Americas and most of Europe).