[Interjection Games] The Big Book of Bloodlines Kickstarter!


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christos gurd wrote:
Shouldn't kyton be made a subbloodline of infernal and shadow?

Alright, Christos. After getting some more work done and seeing how little I have in terms of space, Kyton is getting turned into a sub-bloodline, for now, but has the unique capacity of turning into a parent if the Kickstarter shoots past $4,000 or so.


Will one of the stretch goals be 3rd party bloodline support?


Like which? This is 3rd party. You're looking for variations based on others out there currently? I think he'd probably have to discuss that with the other publishers and would really depend.


The vast majority of them are ogl so all he needs really is to reference where the parent bloodlines come from, both with company name and product. Like if he did a ninjitsu bloodline (shadow,ki) he could have an asterisk on ki referencing little red goblin games and the product dragon tiger ox.


So, you'd want me to go through and assign all of the 3rd-party bloodlines on www.d20pfsrd.com a set of parent bloodlines so they're all compatible with this system? That's an absolutely fantastic idea! Don't even think of that being a stretch goal. That's base product brilliance, that is!

A Note to Other 3pps

Do you want to link in with the subbloodline concept, but don't have your content readily available for me to look over it and assign the necessary parents for each line item? Send me a private message. We'll talk!


Been very busy lately, but it makes me so happy to see things happening! Linking 3rd party bloodlines into this will be fantastic. I love Red Goblin stuff a lot. I'd love to be able to mix some stuff in. Especially the dragon bloodline from Dragon Tiger Ox.


I'm quite keen on getting ahold of Purple Duck Games for assignment of parent bloodlines for their extensive work on "monstrous bloodlines" over the last year or two, but I couldn't find contact information on the blog or the main site. Does anyone have some contact info for them?

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That would be gedakm (at) gmail (dot) com. I did some freelancing for them last year and they were a blast to work with. :D


Appreciated, Lindley! Query sent.

Who else does good work in this arena? I know, for many, something like bloodlines is a filler product, a hit-or-miss, designed simply to get eyes on their larger products for a few weeks.

Edit: Alright, Purple Duck is on board!

Edit 2: It looks like Owen K.C. Stephens put more work into finding ways around bloodlines than adding more bloodlines. Not a single class options product. The Kobold seems fairly full of them, though, so that's a good place to ask.


A quick glance at the SRD reveals these:

- Everyman Gaming
- Jon Brazer Enterprises
- Paizo Fans United
- Radiance House
- Rite Publishing
- Spec Magna Games
- Storm Bunny Studios
- Super Genius Games (frost, skyborne, stone)

Mind some of those only did one, but can take a look for yourself if you're curious what is posted here. Those are only the ones shared on the SRD mind you. I knew purple duck had three or four books of them too, though you were already aware of them.


Little red "might" have some ki hybrids to commit as well.


Class Acts: Sorcerors from Abandoned Arts has two bloodlines - Mesmeric and Troll-blooded.


And those moast fantastique folks of the Multiclass Archetypes Project have created a bunch of bloodrager and sorceror bloodlines...

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Tripod Machine has a bunch of fairly decent bloodlines, but I'm not sure how you'd get in touch with them.


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Alright, quick update.

Color art for the Kickstarter campaign is in! (That's good!)
The art doesn't have a transparent background. (That's bad.)
The artist says he'll fix that! (That's good!)
I need to have that by Wednesday to make sure everything gets done in time. (That's bad.)
More bloodlines have been finished (That's good!)
Kaiju is still giving me problems. (That's bad.)

Wayfinder magazine may be willing to have parent bloodlines assigned to the sorcerer bloodlines present in the magazine. The idea has been called "interesting" and the editor wants to make an official response via e-mail rather than PM. We'll see how that pans out.

But I got a free frogurt! (That's good!)
The frogurt is also cursed. (That's bad.)

Edit: Actually, I think I have a solution. How would everybody like kaiju to have a "type of creature" multiselector, then you get summoner evolutions while bloodraging from a selection list associated with each creature type? Also automatic size changing.

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Alright, quick update.

Edit: Actually, I think I have a solution. How would everybody like kaiju to have a "type of creature" multiselector, then you get summoner evolutions while bloodraging from a selection list associated with each creature type? Also automatic size changing.

Great idea on Kaiju


Considering how varied kaiju are, that sounds like the best plan.

Also, most of the stuff on your post said (that's good) so I say VICTORY!


It was following the flow of a gag in a particularly good Simpsons halloween special.


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Alright, lads. Building the Kickstarter campaign, the preview documents, the advertisement images, and so on. Look for a new thread announcing the start date in the next few days.


Keeping my eyes peeled.


Interjection Games, I have a thought about a challenging prestige class for sorc/bloodrager...

One of the coolest (and arguably) broken prestige classes back in 3.5 was the Sovereign Speaker, a prestige class that gave near full spellcasting, and added an extra domain with nearly every level (some restrictions applied) for casters with domains (read clerics). No such similar class has ever been created for wiz/sorc, mainly because people think casters get enough. :-p

Granted, it was for Eberron only, and there were mainly thematic drawbacks, but I would be interested as all get out to find versions for sorcs, bloodragers, and multiclassed sorcs/ragers...maybe give a compelling reason to not single class!

As for how to reign such a prestige class in, perhaps having such a muddled ancestry brings its own host of problems, far more harmful (or perhaps opportunities lying in wait) than the mere -2 to Will saves that Crossblooded entails...

Finally, though I haven't read the entire thread, I liked the idea of the Accursed bloodline...perhaps they have one bloodline power that makes cursed gear a blessing for them... :-)


He's already working on a base class called the Bloodborn to fill that kind of idea. I'd recommend checking it out, it's got a pretty cool idea but does need some refining still. Personally I'm glad it is a base class, the groups I'm in for the most part have entirely stopped using prestige classes.

Hey Bradley, shot you an email. Hoping you can point me in the right direction so I can start providing some feedback.

PS: Kudos on the Simpsons gag. That one was my favourite and I rather enjoyed it.


Aleron wrote:

He's already working on a base class called the Bloodborn to fill that kind of idea. I'd recommend checking it out, it's got a pretty cool idea but does need some refining still. Personally I'm glad it is a base class, the groups I'm in for the most part have entirely stopped using prestige classes.

Hey Bradley, shot you an email. Hoping you can point me in the right direction so I can start providing some feedback.

PS: Kudos on the Simpsons gag. That one was my favourite and I rather enjoyed it.

Yeah I saw that and it sounds interesting, but it seems like a bloodrager/sorc hybrid; base classes are cool, but there are few if any PrC's that make most sorc's or bloodragers go "I want to PrC!".

What I imagine is something that grants additional bloodlines (or components thereof), but slowly twists, warps, or curses the character...a PrC that offers either class an incentive to PrC, but with a kinda "magic/power comes at a price" catch.

All that being said, it is just an idea, but an idea that would be very catchy to me...not only a bloodlines base class, but a PrC, in THE book of bloodlines would be awesome no?


Paizo has done a very good job of making prestige classes difficult to sell, particularly to spellcasters.

If you want ridiculously transformative options that play more like archetypes than bloodlines, however, my 20 complex bloodlines in this book are up your alley. Just mix in actual archetypes for the level of twisted customization you wanted!

Bloodrager complex bloodlines

Cosmic Dreamer
Dryad
Ethertouched
Fungus
Kaiju
Lycanthrope
Nogitsune
Siren

(As an aside, two open slots for complex bloodlines. No more space, fey, or plants, please.)

Also, if you want a bloodlord archetype on the topic and if you have a few bucks if and when the stretch goal is unlocked, I can make it happen.


impossible + destined = fate breaker? all about someone circumventing their destiny in your lineage?


Well so I don't forget:

Celestial + Destined = Swordsaint

Unparalleled sword master somewhere in their bloodline. Unlock or pick different magical weapon techniques. Could potentially adjust based on weapon type or damage. Bloodrage is more of a battle trance.

If doesn't fit remaining slots, will have to wait till I have the cash to fund it.

...also not sure you can call Fungus a bloodline anymore. It's grown into it's own being.


Aleron wrote:

Well so I don't forget:

Celestial + Destined = Swordsaint

Unparalleled sword master somewhere in their bloodline. Unlock or pick different magical weapon techniques. Could potentially adjust based on weapon type or damage. Bloodrage is more of a battle trance.

If doesn't fit remaining slots, will have to wait till I have the cash to fund it.

...also not sure you can call Fungus a bloodline anymore. It's grown into it's own being.

Oh, come now. You haven't even read the original complex bloodline. Give dryad a read before you draw up a campaign poster.

Also, isn't this effectively your prestige class?


christos gurd wrote:
impossible + destined = fate breaker? all about someone circumventing their destiny in your lineage?

If I figure out how to work it, doomed will do this. But it's accursed, destined, and impossible.


boreal/deepearth/aquatic=adaptive


Afraid you lost me there. What's the flavor nugget you want me to work with here?


Interjection Games wrote:
Afraid you lost me there. What's the flavor nugget you want me to work with here?

someone whose lineage is derived from a variety of environments and is capable of making anywhere their habitat.


Interjection Games wrote:
christos gurd wrote:
impossible + destined = fate breaker? all about someone circumventing their destiny in your lineage?
If I figure out how to work it, doomed will do this. But it's accursed, destined, and impossible.

Oops...doomed was the bloodline you were brewing that I was thinking of, not accursed. I would love a sorc version of I believe it's called the Malvoker (some 3PP class design, can't recall which company)...it was a class that actually got benefit from cursed equipment, amoung other ways of turning adversity into advantage.


Right, so both of you want the same thing with different foci. That can be done.


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Right, so both of you want the same thing with different foci. That can be done.

hehe...I was just throwing out an idea. I am just rooting for the book in general. Casters are my fav class, and sorc in general is one of the most "build it your way" classes. >.<


Well, if it motivates you any, I'm just now wrapping up the bloodrager half of the book. The sorcerer half is a totally blank slate.

But, please, keep talking! Your ideas are filling in doomed. I might actually be able to make it work.


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Oh, come now. You haven't even read the original complex bloodline. Give dryad a read before you draw up a campaign poster.

Also, isn't this effectively your prestige class?

Yeah, yeah. I know, but I have to wait till a bit later tonight to get back into looking at them all again.

That's not a bad idea though...will look into converting the prestige to that for the campaigns I do that don't use prestige classes.


So I was a bit wrong; Sovereign Speaker was 10 levels long, gave a cleric 5 new domains, and added 5 domain spell slots, along with full casting progression.

Now I don't know how to handle BAB or saves, considering this prestige would be a stab at making both sorcs and ragers more modularly customizable (and making a single PrC that could work with both), but this is just an IDEA...maybe fleshed out or altered a bit more, it would be usable without getting the dreaded "OP 3PP CRUD" label.

Assuming a single class 10/10 progression, the base class loses some bonus feats, bonus spells, etc, but gains a wider array of level 1 powers and/or arcana, eventually adding higher level powers, and a flexible capstone. I think as written, this would allow for 2 level 20 powers (one fixed and one that can change daily)...I just don't know if the loss of spells known and bonus feats + the malady plan would be enough to warrent such power...

Sanguine Speaker – 10 level prestige class

Prerequisites – sorcerer or bloodrager base class, Know (arcana) 6 ranks
Pay you the blood price? – each level of Sanguine Speaker stacks with any sorcerer or bloodrager levels for the purpose of calculating rounds of bloodrage and spells per day/spells known, as well as your effective caster level. They do not contribute anything else (such as class features, bonus feats , etc); each level taken also applies a new malady [insert table of generally horrific things like uncontrollable actions, mutations, curses, etc].

Muddled blood – at each odd sanguine speaker level, choose a new bloodline (or sub-bloodline, or wild-blooded bloodline as appropriate); you gain access to the chosen bloodline's bloodline arcana (if a sorcerer) or the 1st level bloodrage power (if a bloodrager). This ability does not grant access to any other abilities or options offered by these additional bloodlines.

The bloods expressed – at each even sanguine speaker level, pick one of the bloodlines you already possess; you may pick a bloodline power from this bloodline to add to those powers you already possess. For the purpose of powers, your sanguine speaker level stacks with any sorcerer or bloodrager levels you possess.

Blood made manifest – at 10th level, when you regain your spells for the day, if your effective class level is 20, you may select a level 20 bloodline power, and access that power as normal. This choice can be changed whenever you regain spells for the day, but only once per day.


Finished tossing my thoughts on all the current bloodlines. Some of these are really unique and will be seeing immediate implementation into my games. Quite a few go places bloodlines haven't gone before as well. In a lot of cases beyond something I would have ever considered with the current bloodline chasis as it is. I'd love to see more like Dryad and Fungus that quite literally feel like they change the focus of the class almost entirely.


I can pretty much guarantee that for kaiju and our evil kitsune. 8% total transformative isn't bad at all.


I know this sounds dumb, but how do I let you know about the addons I requested also? The tutorial said something about a survey after pledging, but I was not taken to a survey screen after pledging and have just received a confirmation of purchase in email, not survey. I'm a little confused. This is the first Kickstarter I have participated in, so I'm a little new to it.

This looks like it is going to be a great product.


The survey happens after the Kickstarter ends.


Aye. I'll be doing up the survey once I'm ready to start acting on everything. I expect that to happen a week or so after closing at the very earliest. Could be a week and a half. Depends on how long it takes for the system to collect everyone's cash and punt it into the kitty.

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