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Does Slashing Grace let a swashbuckler get the benefit of the Blue Scarf with your chosen weapon? The scarf works with light and one-handed piercing weapons... Slashing grace lets you treat the chosen weapon as a one-handed piercing weapon for class features and feats. The argument I see in favor of it working is that the scarf uses panache, which is a swashbuckler class feature.
I think it probably doesn't work, but I would be remiss if I didn't ask.
Okay, let me see if I understand your question... Does a Swashbuckler using Slashing Grace (we'll say with a longsword) and has a Blue Scarf (which you should really post here...) gain the ability to use the Blue Scarf ability with the longsword?
Yes, you can use the Blue Scarf ability with any weapon you select with Slashing Grace if you are a Swashbuckler.
Swordmaster's Flair wrote: DESCRIPTION
These garish tokens usually take the form of a colorful clothing accessories. So long as a token is grasped in the user's off hand, she can spend 1 panache point to gain the use of a specific ability associated with the token.
Once per day, the bearer can use the token to gain the full benefit of the token without spending panache. Non-swashbucklers can use the tokens, but unless they have another way of gaining panache, they can use the ability only once per day. A character can benefit from only one token at a time; holding a second token provides no additional benefit. There are four types of tokens, each offering a different benefit.
Blue Scarf: The user can spend 1 panache point as a swift action to increase her melee reach with light or one-handed piercing weapons by 5 feet for 1 minute.
Green Glove: The user can spend 1 panache point as a swift action to ignore the effects of difficult terrain until the end of her next turn.
Red Sash: The user can spend 1 panache point as an immediate action to attempt a combat maneuver check to trip a creature that has charged and ended its charge in a space within the user's melee reach. This combat maneuver does not provoke an attack of opportunity, it's attempted before the attack at the end of the charge, and the sash's user gains a +2 bonus on the check. If the check is successful, the attacker can't make an attack at the end of its charge.
White Lace Kerchief: The user can spend 1 panache point as a swift action to pinpoint an unseen, adjacent enemy and gains the benefits of the Blind Fight feat for 1 round.
slashing grace makes them count as an applicable weapon iirc so it seems legit.
The issue is that Slashing Grace makes the weapon count as piercing for feats and class abilities. The Swordmaster's Flair isn't a feat or class ability.
RAI, it should probably work. In a home game, probably any GM would allow it. RAW, it does not seem to work.
Yes, RumpinRufus, that's my issue. You're right that it almost certianly is RAI.
Sorry if I wasn't clear at first, Faelyn.
Fealyn, assuming that you understood the problem (my fault if not), is the implication that you can because it's using panache (a class feature), or for some other reason?
I'm not so sure it's RAI. Seems to me that whoever came up with the magic item didn't consider the Slashing Grace feat at all.
RAW it's pretty clear - it doesn't work. The Blue Scarf is a magic item, not a feat or class feature.
Well, the "RAI" thing is more about the language in Slashing Grace not doing something that it may have been "intended" to do, I believe, as opposed to the language of the scarf.
RAW wise, the description of the item really leaves a lot to be interpreted about what is going on when you use it...
The sentence "Non-swashbucklers can use the tokens, but unless they have another way of gaining panache, they can use the ability only once per day." Seems to imply that the flairs grant a point of quasi-panache only usable for this one purpose ("unless they have another way of gaining panache...), but that's never outright stated and might just be an odd choice of words.
The second line of the item's description (the first line that isn't pure fluff) says that "...she can spend 1 panache point to gain the use of a specific ability associated with the token." This seems to imply that it's primary function is to grant a new use for panache, which is of course a class feature (or a feat).
Strict RAW... I'm still not sure. I see arguments both ways. :/
eh.. this is a really vague point..
but
this is how i view it.
The scarf gives you a new way to use your class ability (panache).
So i think it works because it's modifying a class ability and class abilities are usuable via slashing grace..
I see the item modifying yourself rather than the other way around.. but i have no real proof other than its just how i read it
Does using that item still allow the character to attack/threaten foes within 5 feet, or does it act like a polearm-like reach weapon? (Which threatens only at the 5- to 10-foot range.)
(Sorry if this question de-rails the OP!)
Cyrus Lanthier wrote: Well, the "RAI" thing is more about the language in Slashing Grace not doing something that it may have been "intended" to do, I believe, as opposed to the language of the scarf.
RAW wise, the description of the item really leaves a lot to be interpreted about what is going on when you use it...
Not really.
Spend a panache or use the free activation and you extend your reach with a light or or one handed piercing weapon by 5 feet.
A slashing weapon isn't a one handed piercing weapon.
Slashing Grace says it only counts as a light or one handed for the purposes of feats or class feature.
The scarf isn't a feat and it isn't a class feature.
Black and white - the scarf doesn't work with Slashing Grace.
Just because you can use Panache to activate it doesn't make the scarf's ability a class feature of the Swashbuckler.
If the scarf language said something to the effect of "This effect counts as a Deed for the purposes of spending Panache" or something similar, then it could be considered a class feature of the Swashbuckler.
"Another way of gaining panache" is referring to characters with the Amateur Swashbuckler feat or an archtype that grants you panache.
And no, it's not granting a "quasi panache point". Lots of items have once a day abilities, that's nothing new. This item has a once a day activation for non-panache users, and once a day plus spending panache points for panache users.
Bellona - the item is pretty clear, it extends your reach by 5 feet. You now threaten at 5' and 10'. If you are under the effects of Enlarge Person you threaten at 5', 10', and 15'.
Caliban, I feel that maybe the quoted material was misunderstood. I was stating that any "pro" argument about this from the Slashing Grace side of things would be a RAI argument, as in, you're "intended" to be able to use it as a piercing weapon for all purposes apart from actually dealing piercing damage. It's a little strange that you can't simply count it as a piercing weapon, as the fluff for the feat says "You can stab your enemies with your sword or another slashing weapon..." but whatever - I guess that would have been overpowered, somehow.
"Unless they have another way of gaining panache" is a silly way to say "unless they have panache," which is shorter and clearer, but I guess that's a valid interpretation. You're still spending your panache, which is definitely a class feature (or a feat).
I guess you could argue that, even if you could use it with panache, you couldn't with the 1/day use, but "can spend 1 panache point as a swift action to increase her melee reach..." seems at least a bit like a new use for a class feature to me, and it seems I'm not the only one.
The thing that's "new" isn't 1/day items, obviously, but this interaction (or lack thereof). It's never mattered (that I know of) before weather or not some (mostly) class-specefic use of a magical item counts as a class feature.
(In this case it's probably unimportant that there are feats to get Panache, because if it's a "feat feature" then it still would work with Slashing Grace, presumably)
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