Retraining


Pathfinder Society

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1. Are you allowed to retrain in PFS

2. If it is legal level 5 Archer(Fighter Archetype) to regular Fighter would cost me 750gp and 15 days. How do I go about the timespan in society play since the timeline between adventures have no set time?

3. Could I use the 2 PP to retrain since yhe cost is right at 750gp?

Grand Lodge 5/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Society Subscriber

1. Yes

2. You pay 1 Prestige Point per day of retraining because there is no set amount of time between adventures.

3. I'm not sure it counts as a purchase.

Edit:
And now with the relevant snippet of the Guide:

Character Retraining:
Pathfinder Society is all about player choices and living with those choices once you’ve made them. However, there is a method for allowing you to change your character through a process of retraining.

At the start of a Pathfinder’s career, you are allowed to adjust your character before settling in for the long haul. Before you level up a character for the first time, you may change any aspect of it except its Pathfinder Society Number. Changes may only be made between adventures and before playing as a character above 1st level. Any exceptions will be noted in the Pathfinder Society FAQ.

You are able to keep all treasure, Prestige Points, special boons, and XP that you have earned and apply them to the character once you retrain as long as the character meets the criteria above. You are only able to retrain into a legal race.

After 1st level, if you own a copy of Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Campaign, you may use the retraining rules that begin on page 188 to alter your character. Such changes must be made in the presence of a Pathfinder Society GM, the GM must initial each change, and each change must be noted on an official Pathfinder Society Chronicle sheet. If the GM wishes to audit your character before the changes are made, you must present the character to the GM. If time is a limiting factor, the GM may choose not to allow retraining during that session. When utilizing these retraining rules, you must expend wealth as outlined in the Retraining section of Ultimate Campaign, as well as 1 Prestige Point per day of retraining since time between scenarios is undefined.

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Damanta wrote:

1. Yes

2. You pay 1 Prestige Point per day of retraining because there is no set amount of time between adventures.

3. I'm not sure it counts as a purchase.

Edit:
And now with the relevant snippet of the Guide:
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thanks

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

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For this and other questions regarding the campaign, be sure to download the *free* Guide to Organized Play.

If you can't find the answer there, check out the Additional Resources, or the PFS FAQ.

Oh, and of course, if you're going to utilize the Retraining rules found in Ultimate Campaign, you must own a copy of it (PDF or physical).

Dark Archive 3/5 5/55/5 *

ok so it says you can't retrain a feat if it's a Prerequisite, but what if you get a bonus feat or a class Feature that is the same as the feat you want to retrain.
Example: If I have a Human Fighter/Duelist and a then take a level in Swashbuckler, could I retrain my Weapon Finesse feat (from first level) that I needed for Duelist, because I now have swashbuckler finesse?
I still meet My Prerequisite for all my stuff. I think it should work like that, but I want to make sure.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Cyd the Arcmagi wrote:
ok so it says you can't retrain a feat if it's a Prerequisite, but what if you get a bonus feat or a class Feature that is the same as the feat you want to retrain.

It seems to me the feat is no longer a prerequisite, because you can meet the prerequisite another way, therefore it can be retrained. It's established (for the feat that you retrain into) that you can carry out retraining that you qualify for at the time, regardless of whether you would have been able to make that choice when you first received it. This is contentious though.

Grand Lodge 2/5

Cyd the Arcmagi wrote:

ok so it says you can't retrain a feat if it's a Prerequisite, but what if you get a bonus feat or a class Feature that is the same as the feat you want to retrain.

Example: If I have a Human Fighter/Duelist and a then take a level in Swashbuckler, could I retrain my Weapon Finesse feat (from first level) that I needed for Duelist, because I now have swashbuckler finesse?
I still meet My Prerequisite for all my stuff. I think it should work like that, but I want to make sure.

While not PFS official (or even PF official) HERE is Owen K. C. Stephens' personal opinion on the matter.

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Also, for anybody planning extensive retraining you should look into the Monastery vanity from the Pathfinder Society Primer.

Grand Lodge 2/5

Michael Eshleman wrote:
Also, for anybody planning extensive retraining you should look into the Monastery vanity from the Pathfinder Society Primer.

Totally not worth it unless you find out you need to completely rebuild your character.

You'd have to retrain 5 feats before you break even.

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Yes, if you are going to spend 25 or more prestige then you break even and get a further discount on any future retraining.

There is a reason I said, "look into" rather than "purchase immediately".

Scarab Sages

Cyd the Arcmagi wrote:

ok so it says you can't retrain a feat if it's a Prerequisite, but what if you get a bonus feat or a class Feature that is the same as the feat you want to retrain.

Example: If I have a Human Fighter/Duelist and a then take a level in Swashbuckler, could I retrain my Weapon Finesse feat (from first level) that I needed for Duelist, because I now have swashbuckler finesse?
I still meet My Prerequisite for all my stuff. I think it should work like that, but I want to make sure.

By a RAW reading of Swashbuckler Finesse, it does not count as Weapon Finesse for the purposes of Prestige Class requirements. It only counts as having the feat as a prerequisite for other feats. I would start an FAQ post regarding it with your arguments for it, including why it would not break the game to allow it.

Swashbuckler wrote:
Swashbuckler Finesse (Ex): At 1st level, a swashbuckler gains the benefits of the Weapon Finesse feat with light or one-handed piercing melee weapons, and she can use her Charisma score in place of Intelligence as a prerequisite for combat feats. This ability counts as having the Weapon Finesse feat for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites.

Sovereign Court

Wow I never caught that. It's a good thing I had no intention of going PrC on my Swashbuckler.

Dark Archive 3/5 5/55/5 *

So I have never done an FAQ post how do we do that?

Grand Lodge

Go to the rules forum. Make a new thread. Post your question. Hit the FAQ button next to your post.

Grand Lodge 5/5

It says feat prereqs. Look under your favorite PRC. Look at the prereqs. See that line that says feats. Look, feat Prereqs. It doesn't say prereqs for feats however.

Grand Lodge 2/5

Quintin Verassi wrote:
It says feat prereqs. Look under your favorite PRC. Look at the prereqs. See that line that says feats. Look, feat Prereqs. It doesn't say prereqs for feats however.

I can't tell what point you're trying to make..

Sovereign Court

I think that's a pretty huge stretch to make Quintin.

Claude, he's saying that "feat prerequisites" could also mean the "Feats" section of PrC prerequisites, so that Swashbuckler Finesse would count as Weapon Finesse for PrC entrance. Something I think is, like a said, a pretty huge stretch.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Or written another way. "Swashbuckler Finesse" counts as "Weapon Finesse" any time something requires a feat as a prereq.

I don't think it is such a stretch. For one thing, it would be immersion breakingly illogical for it to count as a prereq for feats, but not for prestige classes.

And he is correct that prestige classes list "Feat prereqs" and SF says it counts for Feat Prereqs. It would be as logical to say it *only* counts for prestige class entry, as SF says it only counts for Feat Prereqs, and Feats don't have a section labeled Feat Prereqs.

Sovereign Court

Prestige Classes don't have a section labeled "Feat Prerequisites" either. They have a section called, I believe, "Prequisites" or "Requirements", and one of the lines there is "Feats".

Taking just the words "Feat prerequisites" you could read it that way, but looking at it in context to the rest of it, I'd say it seems pretty clearly feats only. Maybe not a huge stretch to include PrC reqs, but enough that I'd say no on it. It's beyond a stretch to say it could logically be PrC only.

Dark Archive 3/5 5/55/5 *

OK so I made an FAQ page for it. Take a Look.

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