Additional Resources & Summoned Elementals


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Starfinder Superscriber

Many of the "Summon Monster" spells allow you to summon an "Elemental". At the time the CRB was written, this effectively probably meant one of "Earth, Air, Water, Fire" (although it would still be a bit of time before the first Bestiary came out when that was published). Since then, we have a few more in a subsequent Bestiary.

Additional Resources doesn't specifically call out elementals in any of the bestiaries as being legal summoned creatures, although it does call out creatures in those books as legal polymorph shapes. Personally, I would take this to mean that any elemental in any Paizo Bestiary is legal to summon. However, I might also see how somebody would argue that "Earth, Air, Water, Fire" is all that should be allowed.

Is there a consensus on this?

(The reason I thought about this is a player the other day tried to summon a Cold Iron Elemental. I hadn't heard of this, so I asked about it. This was an online game, so you know what happened: he pointed us to a d20pfsrd page. At the bottom of the page, it had (c) Pathfinder Bestiary, which was misleading. This was of course from a third party, and somebody else noticed that it was marked like this somewhere else on the d20pfsrd page; I suspect the copyright at the bottom was because it pulled basic bestiary, and perhaps elemental, rules from the Pathfinder Bestiary. The player went on to assert that the Cold Iron Elemental was in a later printing of the Bestiary, but fortunately all of the other players backed me up in being completely incredulous that this was true. After the game, to be sure, I redownloaded the latest PDF. Moral of the story: be very careful with d20pfsrd in your PFS games. Second moral of the story: requiring players to show you Additional Resources in online games can be complicated, because it may end up your word vs. theirs. In this case, we could have fallen back on the PRD, which is probably what I should have suggested. As a non-official source, archivesofnethys is far less misleading than d20pfsrd, as nicely organized and easy to use as d20pfsrd is.....)

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

Ruling

AFAIK The thought behind this ruling is that they don't want the development of a new creature to mess up the power balance of certain spells. Your character has to invest (for instance in a feat like Summon Good Monster or Summon Neutral Monster) to expand your summons.

Grand Lodge 2/5 *

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Are all of the potential Elementals of one size the same CR? If they are then surely the "power" balance isn't upset?

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

Oh, there are also Rings of Summoning Affinity to expand your summons!

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starfinder Superscriber

Ah, cool, thanks for the link! I'd love it if this were in the PFS FAQ.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

Darrell Impey UK wrote:
Are all of the potential Elementals of one size the same CR? If they are then surely the "power" balance isn't upset?

The Power of Choice

(By adding choices Summoning will always get more powerful)

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

rknop wrote:
Ah, cool, thanks for the link! I'd love it if this were in the PFS FAQ.

Then follow the link and click on its FAQ button.

(I did)

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

And here's James Jacobs' reasoning about the choice.

5/5 *****

Actually I have a question related to this as well. Additional Resources for the Bestiaries only list animal companions and familiars and the "Other" category only deals with polymorph shapes as legal options for player use of any of these sources. Does this mean that Planar Binding and Planar Ally cannot in effect be used by players as nothing in those books is a legal choice for them?

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