Titan fighter + Titan mauler = dual wielding 2 large greatswords


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FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
Also, the reason you get double damage (besides, well, rules) is because of the force of the charge. But if you use two lances, your spreading out the damage across two separate points, lessening the effect...

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You don't get double a double with two lances.


If it took a FAQ to settle the matter for a single lance, I don't think the matter is as cut and dry as Stonebow's opposition makes it seem. Especially as the FAQ was overly specific about why the decision was made in a particular way.

From the point of verisimilitude, a lance striking an opponent benefits from the momentum of a charge (as in, the physical mechanical momentum of the charge, a tiny bit of which is transferred through the lance tip to overcome the limit load of the opponent's armor and body). That momentum is lost if you stop your mount to make a full attack with iteratives. Riding the mount also allows the lance-wielder to align his musculature and bone structure optimally to maximize the momentum transfer on the first strike. After the first hit, you would need to shift out of that position to bring the lance back for a second strike.

With two lances striking at the same time, you're not really spreading anything out, because the momentum transfer on the first lance strike, while significant, is miniscule compared to the total momentum of the mount and rider. There might be a verisimilitude question about being able to stay mounted while doing this, or being pushed out of his charging position by the first strike -- jousting is done with one lance for more reasons that just style, after all -- but at worst that should come with a ride check.

I probably wouldn't allow it, but I would certainly couch it as a personal house rule. I think the rules would technically allow for Stonebow's trick to work. (this follows from the assumption that the pounce-lance FAQ was necessary -- and that no other unmentioned FAQs have bearing)

-- Note, I'm using momentum transfer loosely to stand for large pressure (your ability to hold onto the lance during the attack) applied to a small area (lance tip-opponent interaction) for a short amount of time (however long the first strike is supposed to last)


NikolaiJuno wrote:
Talonhawke wrote:
NikolaiJuno wrote:
Rogar Stonebow wrote:
A question. You are mounted halfling. Can you wield 2 medium sized lances in one hand each with the titan fighter.
Yes, but you can't two-weapon fight because they're still two-handed weapons.
You can still TWF you just aren't getting the greatest of attack bonuses while doing so.
I take the Armor Spikes FAQ to mean that you can't two-weapon fight with a two-handed weapon.

That's because your using 2 hands to hold it. It doesn't matter when mounted since your using them as one handers.


Talonhawke wrote:
That's because your using 2 hands to hold it. It doesn't matter when mounted since your using them as one handers.

No you're not. You're using it with one hand, not one-handed.

Lance wrote:

Price 10 gp

Type martial

A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount. While mounted, you can wield a lance with one hand.

FAQ wrote:

Power Attack: If I am using a two-handed weapon with one hand (such as a lance while mounted), do still I get the +50% damage for using a two-handed weapon?

Yes.

FAQ wrote:

Weapons, Two-Handed in One Hand: When a feat or other special ability says to treat a weapon that is normally wielded in two hands as a one handed weapon, does it get treated as one or two handed weapon for the purposes of how to apply the Strength modifier or the Power Attack feat?

If you're wielding it in one hand (even if it is normally a two-handed weapon), treat it as a one-handed weapon for the purpose of how much Strength to apply, the Power Attack damage bonus, and so on.

Mounted lance is still two-handed.


The FAQ abut handed ness is actually talking about using the weapon in two hands. Or are you saying I can't benefit from a shield if I'm using a lance?


Talonhawke wrote:
The FAQ abut handed ness is actually talking about using the weapon in two hands. Or are you saying I can't benefit from a shield if I'm using a lance?

Neither is talking about using a weapon in two hands. The "power attack" FAQ is about mounted lance with one hand. The "Weapons, Two-Handed in One Hand" is about abilities that allow you to wield a two-handed weapon as a one-handed weapon, and is in the post for contrast. It does not apply to a mounted lance because the mounted lance is never considered a one-handed weapon by classification. You can still benefit defensively from a shield, but you can't two-weapon fight with it and the lance.


I meant the one about not being able to TWF with a 2H weapon


Ah the armor spikes one. I still don't think that it would work. The armor spikes don't care whether you have a physical hand available, because it doesn't use one. Why would you be able to use a hand based weapon with a two-handed weapon when you can't use a handless one with a two-handed weapon?


This is how my titan fighter/titan mauler is going.

1:fighter-titan fighter: Giant Weapon Wielder
2:barbarian-titan mauler: big game hunter
3:fighter-tactician: tactical awareness
4:barbarian: uncanny dodge
5:fighter-titan fighter:incredible heft
6:barbarian-titan mauler: massive weapons

So by level 6 i'm back to -2 for an innapropriately sized weapon.

Am i right in thinking that the blood of giants trait would only affect the original -2 from the inappropriate weapon and not the additional -2 from giant weapon wielder? for a total of -3, so that at level 6 i'm actually at -1.


Couldn't you just get 2 levels alchemist for Vestigial Arm an wield two of them and get 1.5 str on both? Seems to fix all of this.

1. Fighter big weapon
2. Alchemist free mutagen
3. Alchemist extra discovery: Vestigial Arm

Boom problem solved

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