Does charging still provoke attack of opportunities?

[toxicpie]

Players fighting a large graven guardian with reach. One thinks that charging does not provoke an attack of opportunity after going through the opponent's first threatened square. He's probably right, he's far better at the rules than me, but I can't see where it says this in the charge section of the CRB.

Any help appreciated!

[Jiggy]

The action of charging does not itself provoke, but the movement made as part of charging would provoke as normal.

[blahpers]

Jiggy is correct. Charging is no different from regular movement in this respect.

[toxicpie]

Thanks a lot!

[Nefreet]

Unless the character has some specific feature that prevents AoOs when charging, of course.

(a couple exist)

[Lifat]

Charging does not in itself provoke as jiggy said. But doing anything else during the charge that normally provokes still provokes. In the example given there would be an AoO.
Nefreet is also right that the character in question may have some specific ability that changes the standard rules for him.

If your player argues, ask him to show you the rule that says charging somehow prevents AoOs. Burden of proof is on him.

[Jiggy]

Lifat wrote:

If your player argues, ask him to show you the rule that says charging somehow prevents AoOs. Burden of proof is on him.

He'll probably point to the Combat chapter of the Core Rulebook, where the Actions in Combat table lists various actions and whether or not they provoke, and the table says "Charge: No". That's where this misunderstanding usually comes from in the first place.

[Gauss]

There is a difference between an action that causes an automatic AoO and doing something as part of that action that results in an AoO.

Charging does not provoke an AoO. However, the movement from the charge will provoke normally.

So, while your player is technically correct that the Charge action does not provoke he is wrong in that his movement still provokes.

[That Crazy Alchemist]

Jiggy wrote:

Lifat wrote:

If your player argues, ask him to show you the rule that says charging somehow prevents AoOs. Burden of proof is on him.

He'll probably point to the Combat chapter of the Core Rulebook, where the Actions in Combat table lists various actions and whether or not they provoke, and the table says "Charge: No". That's where this misunderstanding usually comes from in the first place.

And if he does that, kindly point to bullet point number 1 at the end of that same table.

[Daiv]

Okay, so. Charging does not provoke an AoO.
Moving through a threatened square does provoke.
A Bull Rush combat manuever does provoke. However, if character has Improved Bull rush does not provoke.
So. I am a medium character. I have improved bull rush. I bull rush a large creature. Do i provoke because i still moved through his threatened square? Or not, because improved bull rush negates his AOO?
Im inclined to think that i Am still subject to the Attack because of the movement through a threatened square. But I’ve not found a definitive answer.

[LordKailas]

Daiv wrote:

Okay, so. Charging does not provoke an AoO.

Moving through a threatened square does provoke.
A Bull Rush combat manuever does provoke. However, if character has Improved Bull rush does not provoke.
So. I am a medium character. I have improved bull rush. I bull rush a large creature. Do i provoke because i still moved through his threatened square? Or not, because improved bull rush negates his AOO?
Im inclined to think that i Am still subject to the Attack because of the movement through a threatened square. But I’ve not found a definitive answer.

You still provoke from leaving a threatened square.

If you did not have improved bull rush and you attempted to bull rush a large creature you would provoke twice. Once for leaving a threatened square and again for bull rushing. Improved bullrush removes the 2nd AoO. So with the feat you only provoke once instead of twice.

That being said, unless a creature has combat reflexes (or some sort of equivalent to this feat) it will only be able to respond with a single attack no matter how many times you provoke an AoO.

[Zarius]

Yes and no. As has been said, a Charge attack, in and of itself, does not provoke an attack. However, moving out of or through a threatened space does provoke an AoO, unless it's the first such space of a Withdraw action (if I remember right, it might just be the first space of movement period). So, charging a creature (any creature) with Reach, be it from long arms or a neck and a natural attack or from a pole arm, provokes due to passing through - meaning entering and then, expressly, exiting - a threatened square.