Hi i have this question about the possibility of full parry and riposte or opportune parry and riposte
Opportune Parry and Riposte (Ex): At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack.
expend a use? so it is possible to expend more panache points to expends more attacks of oportunity (considering you have combat reflexes)?
I'm not familiar with duelist so can't speak to it.
I also don't have my books here but my reading of the swashbuckler parry and reposte deed is:
1. If multiple enemies attack your swashbuckler during a single round, she can parry each of them in turn so long as she has panache & AoAs available
2. I'm not certain, but I believe if a single enemy has multiple attacks against your swashbuckler, She can expend a deed against each attack as it comes so long as she has panache and AoAs.I have never run across it in actual play but I would think that if 2 swashbucklers crossed swords they could in a single attack parry & reposte back and forth until 1 of them is dropped or runs out of panache or attacks of opportunity.
Morag
Uh, your question isn't very clear but I will try to help.
With regard to the Swashbuckler's Opportune Parry and Reposte, firstly you should read the entire text:
Opportune Parry and Riposte (Ex): At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack. The swashbuckler makes an attack roll as if she were making an attack of opportunity; for each size category the attacking creature is larger than the swashbuckler, the swashbuckler takes a –2 penalty on this roll. If her result is greater than the attacking creature's result, the creature's attack automatically misses. The swashbuckler must declare the use of this ability after the creature's attack is announced, but before its attack roll is made. Upon performing a successful parry and if she has at least 1 panache point, the swashbuckler can as an immediate action make an attack against the creature whose attack she parried, provided that creature is within her reach.
So, parry requires the spending of 1 point of panache and the use of an AoO. If successful, as an immediate action you can Reposte (make an attack against the enemy). As an immediate action, you can only do this once per round. However, otherwise as long as you have Panache and AoO's remaining you can continue to parry other incoming attacks.
As for the duelist, which to clarify for those not paying attention is a separate prestige class which inspired the swashbuckler base class, you could give up only one your attacks to make parry actions because it specifies "can elect not to take one of her attacks." Which is singular. Of course, this hardline of the rules makes the ability not very good. Of course, very few people would use this prestige class since the Swashbuckler has come out.
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the important language here is "Immediate action"
I'm sure you are familiar with how you can take a single Standard, Move, and Swift action during your turn. If you take an Immediate action, you cannot take a Swift action the following round on your turn. (You can take another Immediate action, however). In this way, Immediate actions borrow from the future.
Exterior to this are how Free actions and Attacks of Opportunity work. These have their own limits unrelated to the above mentioned actions. They sort of have their own separate action economy. So yes, if you have Combat Reflexes you can make as many Attacks of Opportunity as the feat says, even using abilities which "count as" AoOs.
What is confusing is that Swashbuckler is Parry (AoO) + Riposte (Immediate) whereas Duelist is Parry (Immediate) + Riposte (AoO).
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Hmmm... so, technically...
Could you use your Duelist riposte after using your Swashbuckler parry? And thus not use up your immediate action.
Opportune Parry and Riposte (Ex): At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack.
Riposte (Ex): Starting at 5th level, a duelist can make an attack of opportunity against any creature whose attack she successfully parries, so long as the creature she is attacking is within reach.
Per RAW, yes. RAI, no - Duelist's Riposte is referring explicitly to the duelist ability to parry.
Because the Swashbuckler and his ability didn't exist at the time, sure.
But there's no exclusivity in the wording.
Because the Swashbuckler and his ability didn't exist at the time, sure.
But there's no exclusivity in the wording.
Class features are assumed to refer to their own class' other features, or identical features (such as Favored Enemy or Spells) unless otherwise stated.
There's not, because people aren't perfect and didn't think to write one it. The duelist class ability refers to the parry from the duelist class.
I would say it should be allowed if only because it helps the Duelist still be relevant.
Well, more because there's nothing in the rules that disallows it.
While sure, there's an argument for 'well they obviously weren't thinking of the swashbuckler when they wrote it, so swashbuckler shouldn't get to use it', there's a stronger (imho) case for the argument that says 'this thing says you parry, and that thing says when you parry do X'.
The stronger case is whatever RAI is, and the devs have stated that class abilities refer to the class, so no it is not a stronger case to say both parries are intended. Of course we can always FAQ it, and get an errata.
Of course we can always FAQ it, and get an errata.
Never a terrible idea, especially with something as poorly written as the ACG.