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The harvested materials slow us down, running up an down to our harvesting point to our settlement or a nearby settlement where we can do some refining to reduce the total weight of the item will take time.
Wearing armor will reduce our carrying capacity and so our speed.
The best way to do some harvesting while fighting the local mobs to keep their number down is to have a local storage point where you can drop off the gathered materials, the salvage and your armor while you are working in a mostly pacified area.
Even more important, a location where you can leave your armor and weapons while you transport the harvested materials to the nearest settlement.
So it seem fairly important to get theme early in the game.
Any idea on when they will be implemented?
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The last comment Ryan made was about 30 days after EE starts.
For the store bought premium items.
Engineers should hopefully be able to construct basic camps (and its equivalents) as soon as they have the skill level and resources to do so.
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Does it say anywhere in the data which items have what storage capacity?
The only Items we have data on in the spreadsheets are those we can equip: Armor, Weapons, and Misc Gear.
I would be in hog heaven if Stephen decided to share data on Resources, Stocks, Consumables, and non-equipped Crafting Outputs. Ideally, that would include a map table that linked Resources to Stocks.
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Does it say anywhere in the data which items have what storage capacity?The only Items we have data on in the spreadsheets are those we can equip: Armor, Weapons, and Misc Gear.
I would be in hog heaven if Stephen decided to share data on Resources, Stocks, Consumables, and non-equipped Crafting Outputs. Ideally, that would include a map table that linked Resources to Stocks.
Is this a *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*?
;D
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We talked about this issue last week at our executive level and we're going to wait and see if we can hit that 30 day deadline once we have an Early Enrollment build we're happy with. If we decide that based on the work that we have queued up that it would make sense to delay the rollout of the Smallholdings and Base Camps, we'll make that announcement after the start of EE. But I am hopeful that we will stay on the 30 day plan.
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You still need 10 Survival to use them as well, which takes a Wisdom of 12 I believe. Not so easy to get.Does it say you need 10 Survival or 10 Survival Skill?
My character shows Survival lv7 in the feats tab, and Survival skill 75 on the character sheet (with +5 as a human).
In the spreadsheets, Requirements are always listed by Level, not Score.
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Is it confirmed that engineer-made camps will have any storage at all?
I thought their purpose was power regeneration, and that storage was exclusive to the premium items (including taverns).
in the meantime, freeholder feats help with encumberace. With my rambler 5, donning my footpads+2 actually helps me carry more.
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Is it confirmed that engineer-made camps will have any storage at all?
I thought their purpose was power regeneration, and that storage was exclusive to the premium items (including taverns).
in the meantime, freeholder feats help with encumberace. With my rambler 5, donning my footpads+2 actually helps me carry more.
Freeholder training is available only in crafting settlements. From what I got in EE the settlement training will be available only to people from that settlement, so we will not be capable to train those skills unless we are part of a company linked to a crafting settlement, and that mean not having access to the fighting feats.
Then there is the fact that a location for temporary storage while gathering in a hex far from home will help immensely. As I see it, the best way to gather large amounts of materials (a we need to gather them, we will start EE without any equipment and a large demand for items) is to:
- set up a central storage point;
- search the area while ready for battle (we need to keep escalation down);
- leave our armor and other heavy equipment in the storage point, load the gathered/salvaged gear and move to the nearest settlement where we can do some crafting.
Settlement allegiance and availability of crafting buildings can force us to change the character that will transport the crafting material, as we will want to maximize carrying capacity and get access to the nearest settlement with the appropriate buildings.
We can even be forced to make different packages for different settlements if some lack the needed facilities.
Taking all the above in consideration, I think that some crafted form of camp that allow temporary storage is important.
The premium items will not be always available. I am going from memory, but if I recall correctly a camp will last 10 day and then require 20 days to regenerate.
A smallhold will last forever, but if you want to move it you have to destroy it.
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Freeholder training is available only in crafting settlements. From what I got in EE the settlement training will be available only to people from that settlement, so we will not be capable to train those skills unless we are part of a company linked to a crafting settlement, and that mean not having access to the fighting feats.
AFAIK this is wrong. Unless the Settlement leader opts to, everyone can train everywhere with the cap of the settlement your Company belongs to.
The option of limit training is a tool that will be implemented later IIRC.
Also Ryan(?) talked of some kind of stash to be implemented later on, a sort of buried treasure chest. so it isn't impossible that there will be other camps (of some type or other) that will have a limited storage capacity.
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Is it confirmed that engineer-made camps will have any storage at all?
I thought their purpose was power regeneration, and that storage was exclusive to the premium items (including taverns).
That would surprise me. GW seems quite invested in avoiding anything that smacks of P2W. Purchased items are not supposed to apply any mechanical advantage over the same item created in game. They already have the advantage of being re-usable after a cool-down when destroyed, which I think is probably sufficient advantage over the created item, which when destroyed is gone.
Admittedly, the price tag is high on both Base Camps and Smallholdings, so I expect they will be more than the most basic level of the in-game-constructed versions, but I don't imagine they will have any exclusive features.
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The crafted campsites currently on the engineering recipes list are not persistent. They're essentially a group Power-restoration consumable glossed as camping out for the night (in the same way that you'd make camp to sleep and recover your dailies and spells in tabletop). They'll last for a short period (long enough for several people to use them) and then despawn. Higher level ones may have more amenities TBD, in addition to the Power regen, but their main use is that they give you more Power back.
Base camps will be significantly more persistent, which allows them to also serve as a storage location in a way that doesn't make sense for the engineering camps. It's TBD which crafted items will give you field storage, but a buried chest type of item is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
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Reaching Wisdom 12 is not so bad for a dedicated gatherer. A focused freeholder will get there around 100K by boosting nothing but Forester, Nature, Perception, Rambler, Scavenger and Survival.
If anyone would like to hire or join a company for providing early camp usage I can start one up. Look for my cousin Brawny Lumberdwarf during EE.
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You still need 10 Survival to use them as well, which takes a Wisdom of 12 I believe. Not so easy to get.Does it say you need 10 Survival or 10 Survival Skill?
My character shows Survival lv7 in the feats tab, and Survival skill 75 on the character sheet (with +5 as a human).
I think it's Rank 10 though it would be nice if I was wrong. I saw it in-game when looking at the description of the first camp that Engineers can make.
Reaching Wisdom 12 is not so bad for a dedicated gatherer. A focused freeholder will get there around 100K by boosting nothing but Forester, Nature, Perception, Rambler, Scavenger and Survival.
If anyone would like to hire or join a company for providing early camp usage I can start one up. Look for my cousin Brawny Lumberdwarf during EE.
To get Rank 8 on some of those you need a Wis 11. :(
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Eeesh, that's 20 days worth of xp getting set aside just for that. I'll do it, because I want to use the camps but I had no intention of raising Forester or Scavenger so high any time soon. That seems to be the only option though if I want to stay away from Cleric abilities or crafting as an Apothecary or Iconographer.
I wonder if the Survival 10 req is for all camps or if it will increase with better camps?
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Freeholder training is available only in crafting settlements. From what I got in EE the settlement training will be available only to people from that settlement, so we will not be capable to train those skills unless we are part of a company linked to a crafting settlement, and that mean not having access to the fighting feats.
AFAIK this is wrong. Unless the Settlement leader opts to, everyone can train everywhere with the cap of the settlement your Company belongs to.
The option of limit training is a tool that will be implemented later IIRC.
Also Ryan(?) talked of some kind of stash to be implemented later on, a sort of buried treasure chest. so it isn't impossible that there will be other camps (of some type or other) that will have a limited storage capacity.
So let's be clear about what the MVP feature is and what the planned iterations for the feature is.
The MVP feature is:
You can only be a member of one company. Companies can only be members of one Settlement.
You have a max ranks of training in a Feat based on the number of Towers controlled by your Settlement. As that number changes, the max rank number changes. If you change the Settlement you are affiliated with the Ranks of the Feats you can access change ASAP.
This is how the game works today and will work when Early Enrollment begins.
Likely Iterations:
In no particular order; these are just written as I remember them from the design document.
- If you are not a member of a Company allied with a Settlement you will not be able to access that Settlement's trainers, until a future iteration where Settlements have members directly exclusive of Company participation.
- There will be a cooldown period after your Settlement loses access to training (or is destroyed) or after you separate from a Settlement. During the cooldown period you will retain access to the ranks of the Feats you've trained regardless of your current Settlement's training cap.
- Settlements will have the ability to choose to construct "support" facilities that will enable characters who earned Ranks of Feats at other Settlements to continue to use them even though the Settlement itself cannot train those ranks (or those Feats at all). The tradeoff is that the Settlement will give up the ability to build some other kind of structure by doing this.
- You will be able to join more than one Company
- Settlements will be able to make Alliances which enable affiliated characters to access each others' Trainers.
So coming SOON after the release of EE.