Flurry of Blows is modeled after TWF.
Monks flurry as if they had full BAB.
At level 6 you would have gained an extra attack if you had full BAB so you get an extra attack which gives you 3.
At level 8 get the functional equivalent of ITWF so you get 4 attacks.
At level 11 if you had full BAB you would get an extra attack so you attacks go up to 5
At level 15 they grant you functional equivalent of of GTWF so you get 6 attacks.
At level 16 you would be getting your last interative attack so you get 7 total.
Combined with kestal's post you see how get the additional attacks.
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The unevenness bothers me to no end. As does starting at -1. It's like "negative really?"
My monk flurries like this:
zax monk
1: +0/+0
2: +1/+1
3: +2/+2
4: +3/+3
5:
6: +4/+4
7: +5/+5
8: +6/+6/+6 (plus free Whirlwind Attack here)
9:
10: +7/+7/+7
11: +8/+8/+8
12: +9/+9/+9
13:
14: +10/+10/+10
15: +11/+11/+11/+11
16: +12/+12/+12/+12
17:
18: +13/+13/+13/+13
19: +14/+14/+14/+14
20: +15/+15/+15/+15
...
because i'd like to think the increased accuracy with each hit makes up for fewer hits altogether and synergizes with Stunning Fist better and is more user friendly...
The part that makes no sense is at level 9. I can throw one attacks at +6, or I can throw four attacks at +7/+7/+2/+2.
Everything about this class suggested that Paizo wanted to make monks full BaB without admitting they are full BaB. They get full BaB when flurrying, and at level 3 to their CMB. With a feat they have full BaB for everything but single attacks, or attacks with weapons they can't flurry with.
I understand they need a way to penalize people who decide to take a single level dip into monk as it can be a powerful dip. I think it would of been better to make them full BaB, but wait till level 2 or 3 for a few of the features like Wisdom to AC. They should be waiting for 3 for that anyway as that can be OP really quickly.
A level 9 3/4 BAB character should have a BAB of +6/+1. That is two attacks.
The unevenness bothers me to no end. As does starting at -1. It's like "negative really?"
My monk flurries like this:
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...because i'd like to think the increased accuracy with each hit makes up for fewer hits altogether and synergizes with Stunning Fist better and is more user friendly...
You have a -1 because of the -2 penalty for twf'ing which flurry imitates.
If the monk is getting a free +1 bring him up to 0/0 then so should anyone who takes twf,ing at level 1.
The unevenness bothers me to no end. As does starting at -1. It's like "negative really?"
1 BaB -2 TWFing.
Exactly the same as a TWFing Fighter of that level.
Flurry progresses perfectly logically.
1st level: +0, or -1/-1 (TWFing, full BaB).
6th level: +4, or +4/+4/-1 (TWFing, Full BaB iterative).
8th level: +6/+1 or +6/+6/+1/+1 (TWFing, Improved TWFing, Full BaB iterative).
11th level: +8/+3 or +9/+9/+4/+4/–1 (TWFing, Imrpoved TWFing, Full BaB iterative x2).
15th level: +11/+6/+1, or +13/+13/+8/+8/+3/+3 (TWFing, Improved TWFing, Greater TWFing, Full BaB iterative x2).
16th level: +12/+7/+2 or +14/+14/+9/+9/+4/+4/–1 (TWFing, Improved TWFing, Greater TWFing, Full BaB iterative x3).
The OP said it was weird and random, but it has been shown to not be weird and random. There is a logical progression. It being bad design(which is a matter of opinion) does not make it illogical or weird.
I personally think the base damage increasing for unarmed strikes is what should not have been done, more so than the pseudo-TWF.
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This has nothing to do with "legacy glasses" and everything to do with the underlying WHY behind the progression.
Which is perfectly logical. It may not progress at exact intervals from each previous increase, but it is VERY logical.
monk is a hot mess. no doubt. "where to begin?" one might ask.
but straight up, extra attacks at 1/6/8/11/15/16 is just random when you take off your legacy glasses and look at it from the outside.
and less logical than the algorithm for determining prime numbers.
Considering there is a pattern and way to determine how the numbers were presented that counts as logical. What you seem to have a problem with is the monk itself, but that has nothing to do with this specific topic. This is coming from a non-monk fan.
1-6-8-11-15-16 look like friggin' lottery numbers is all i'm sayin'
Yeah until you look at the breakdown which makes perfect sense, unless my explanation of the other poster's has a fault in it. A number appearing to be random because someone has not broken the pattern down and it being random are two different things.
Was there a fault in the breakdown at the beginning of this topic? If not then the breakdown makes sense. If there is a breakdown(mistake) then tell us what mistake we made when explaining it.
