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spell combat was erratad and faqd be a full attack action.
srd says you can't take ANY MOVEMENT during a full attack except 5 ft step.
The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.
The rules also say that you can't take a full-round action (like a full-attack) in the same round that you take a standard action (like casting a spell).
The whole point of special abilities like Spell Combat is to let you do something you normally couldn't (like cast a spell and full-attack in the same turn).
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You can't take a move-action and full attack. You could however, 5-ft step and full attack. Bladed dash is not a move action. It is a spell.
If you want to run it this way in your games, that is fine. Spell combat very clearly works with this spell.
Here's a hypothetical... Supposing I have a 13th level Magus who is hasted. I have Bladed Dash and a Quickened Shocking Grasp memorized. Could I cast the shocking grasp, then cast bladed dash, make the bladed dash attack, make a free attack for the shocking grasp spell, and then take my three normal attacks?
If so, I know what my next character will be. :D
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Sooooo..... Pounce is useless?
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The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.
Seems cut and dry. only movement is 5 foot step. dimensiona assault feat line makes this more clear.
Yeah, that's not true at all. Dimensional Assault sets no precedent. That feat line is working to override the limitations on Dimension Door, which contains specific language ending your turn after casting it.
Bladed Dash absolutely lets you move during spell combat. There is no question from anyone except those who appear to wish it were not true.
Not quite, since casting another spell would override the charge on Shocking Grasp. That said, it is legal to declare Spell Combat -> Cast Bladed Dash -> Move, attack -> Full Attack -> cast Quickened Shocking Grasp -> deliver Shocking Grasp via Spellstrike.
Ah. My timing was off a bit. Still, good to know!
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As has been pointed out taldanrebel, normally you can't cast a spell with a Full Attack Action either. The entire point of the Magus's ability is to "break" this rule.
I always felt Bladed Dash was created with the Magus specifically in mind. Makes perfect sense that they can combo this with Spell Combat.
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Taldanrebel, are you posting under two different aliases just to make it look like there are two people on your side instead of just you?
Anyway, are you familiar with "specific trumps general"? You are correct that the general rule is that the only movement you can use during a full-attack is a 5ft step. But the specific rule of Spell Combat plus bladed dash provides an exception. Specific trumps general.
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ROFL, it IS the same person. Too funny.
Spell Combat lets you cast a spell. Bladed Dash moves you in a straight line as part of the spell. Therefore, it works just fine. This isn't a move action, nor is it a 5' step. This is part of the spell effect cast using Spell Combat. Nothing wrong here.
The dimensional dervish feat line exists because, normally, casting Dimension Door ends your turn, while these feats allow you an option of attacking during or after the spell effect.
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Specific overrides general.
In general, then only movement you can take during a full-round action is a 5-foot step.
In general, you cannot cast a spell with a casting time of 1 standard action without taking a standard action to do so.
In general, if you move out of a foe's threatened space, you provoke an attack of opportunity.
In general, if you move and attack, you must move before or after your attack (rather tun move-attack-move).
In specific, Spell Combat allows the magus the take all his attacks at a penalty and cast a spell with a casting time of 1 standard action, as a full-round action. This overrides the general rule about how you cast spells with a casting time of 1 standard action.
In specific, bladed dash says if you cast it, you immediately move up to 30 feet without the movement provoking an AoO, and can make a single melee attack against any one target you are adjacent to at any point during this movement. This overrides moving out of a threatened space provoking an AoO and requiring movement to be entirely before or after an attack.
Since we specifically know a magic can cast the spell as part of a full round action (which already overrides how spells are cast), and that specifically the spell grants a move and an attack as part of its effects (which already overrides how moving and attacking work), it is clear that casting the spell as a magic as a full-round action using spell combatthe ability to combine these overrides the general restriction on movement when taking a full-round action.
This is not an official ruling from a Golem, but clearly this is perfectly legit, perfectly legal.
Spell combat breaks the normal rules. As does Bladed Dash, as it is a spell.
Consider this, you can move (as a move action), cast Bladed Dash (as a standard action). This would normally be your actions for a round aside from swift/free actions. However, after casting Bladed Dash you get to move up to 30ft in a straight line and make a single melee attack. Both of which would normally be a move action and a standard action on their own. It also grants you the ability to make the attack anywhere in the 30ft of movement, which effectively works like Spring Attack.
How? It's magic bro. And it works just fine.
It can be combined with spell combat just fine, and after benefitting from the spell you can do exactly what spell combat says which is make a full attack (with the proper penalties). It's just like using shocking grasp with spell combat. Except bladed dash just happens to allow you to move.
This works just fine, your statement aren't going to change it taldenrebel.
spell combat was erratad and faqd be a full attack action.
srd says you can't take ANY MOVEMENT during a full attack except 5 ft step.
The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.
The specifics of the spell trumps the general combat rule.
EDIT: Ninja'd!
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Do we really think the game developers intended to give level 4 magus a pounce ability? Sorry guys this is common sense.
If the spell text trumps full attack you get a single attack as per the spell. There are no similar spells of similar level and strength. RAI seems clear here. It was intended to provide magus a charge ability with a bonus attack. Not pounce.
You are wrong.
You also weren't present for any design/development meetings, so you have no special insight into "RAI". As usual, the best clue to what was intended is what was written.
What is written is that a magus using Spell Combat gets to cast a spell (which inherently means doing all the things that spell tells him to do) and then get his normal attack routine on top of it.
You don't have to like it, but your dislike can't cause it to not be true.
Do we really think the game developers intended to give level 4 magus a pounce ability?
Yes, yes I do think they intended that. It costs a precious level 2 spell, and at level 4, is actually probably LESS powerful than just moving 30' normally and spellstriking with Frigid Touch.
Further, a level 2 character can now have Pounce thanks to Master of Many Styles and Pummeling Charge. You might need a new thread to be indignant about that one ;)
Edit: Wow, I didn't even notice at first--is that a THIRD alias in the same conversation?
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Do we really think the game developers intended to give level 4 magus a pounce ability? Sorry guys this is common sense.
If the spell text trumps full attack you get a single attack as per the spell. There are no similar spells of similar level and strength. RAI seems clear here. It was intended to provide magus a charge ability with a bonus attack. Not pounce.
No, they intended for the magus to be able to cast a spell to gain all of its benefits, as well as get a full attack action.
So the magus as a full-round declares spell combat. He casts bladed dash.
He gets to move up to 30 feet in a straight line, and attack one creature along that line. He then gets to finish his spell combat, which is his full-attack sequence.
He alternately could cast any other level 2 magus spell he knew and had prepared, and gain those benefits instead.
Edit: Wow, I didn't even notice at first--is that a THIRD alias in the same conversation?
Nope, only two so far. Still.
So could one use Spell Combat + Bladed Dash + Whirlwind Attack?
No, Spell Combat only counts as a Full Attack for Haste and similar effects. You'd be hard pressed to convince me that Whirlwind Attack is a similar effect to Haste.
The FAQ does not say "Haste and similar effects", it actually says "Haste and other effects."
Meaning, for all purposes Spell Combat counts as a full attack.
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Do we really think the game developers intended to give level 4 magus a pounce ability? Sorry guys this is common sense.
If the spell text trumps full attack you get a single attack as per the spell. There are no similar spells of similar level and strength. RAI seems clear here. It was intended to provide magus a charge ability with a bonus attack. Not pounce.
I am one of Paizo's developers. I don't see the problem with balance. Pounce is an at-will ability. This is the top-level spell a magus gets at 4th level. Not even close to the same power level.
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Do we really think the game developers intended to give level 4 magus a pounce ability? Sorry guys this is common sense.
If the spell text trumps full attack you get a single attack as per the spell. There are no similar spells of similar level and strength. RAI seems clear here. It was intended to provide magus a charge ability with a bonus attack. Not pounce.
pigs can't fly.
unless you cast a spell that lets them fly.