Can you...? Just wondering.


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Can you have an arm wrestling match while wearing a ring of freedom of movement?


Depends if you can choose to allow a grapple to take place while wearing the ring/under the effects of the spell.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Yes.

Arm wrestling should be a straight-up Strength vs. Strength check, not a grapple roll. Freedom of movement doesn't impact the situation at all.

Shadow Lodge

I dont think arm wrestling restrics your movements exactly


I guess you would have to make a grapple check to force someone into an arm wrestling competition.

Can you force an arm wrestling competition on someone while wearing a ring of FoM?


This is like a bad hypothetical from a judge. It is clearly intend to elicit responses to make some sort of weird point. Luckily, J.J. weighed into avoid the consequences of answering this question, but how about you just tell us what you're trying to argue instead of hiding the ball under this wacky hypo.


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I was actually wanting other people to present their own weird and wacky corner cases for some fun rules discussion, but it didn't seem appropriate for a rules forum.

No ulterior motives. Just a bit of fun thinking.


since this is in the occult place..

It would be amusing if you wore the ring because you didn't want some TKer from grappeling you and helping the other guy win, as a way to cheat the competition.


Ravingdork wrote:

I was actually wanting other people to present their own weird and wacky corner cases for some fun rules discussion, but it didn't seem appropriate for a rules forum.

No ulterior motives. Just a bit of fun thinking.

Does Freedom of Movement prevent you from holding an item in your hand? Obviously not, therefore it doesn't prevent you from holding someone else's hand in an arm wrestle.

On the other hand (pun intended), it would prevent someone forcing you to take part in an arm wrestle, as DomM suggests above.


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Generally, grasping an object doesn't require a grapple, so that was understood, Gilarius. Grabbing a competitor's limb wasn't quite so clear until a dev piped in.


Definitely not. Your hand would just slip out of theirs like a wet bar of soap. In fact, freedom of movement makes your entire body slick and frictionless, such that the best way of moving is by sliding around on your belly like a penguin.

Or maybe I just picked up a cursed ring. Could be it.

On a more serious note, I imagine that freedom of movement could be a liability if, say, you fall off of a cliff and someone grabs your arm. Would that be a grapple check?


Ravingdork wrote:
Generally, grasping an object doesn't require a grapple, so that was understood, Gilarius. Grabbing a competitor's limb wasn't quite so clear until a dev piped in.

Yes, JJ's post clarified it nicely (thanks Mr JJ). Attempts at humour on the Internet often fail, especially when I try it. Sorry if I came across as more snarky than I meant to.


Does freedom of movement prevent feather fall from working?


Create Mr. Pitt wrote:
Does freedom of movement prevent feather fall from working?

I've played with one DM (back before 3e) who insisted it was so. Exactly one. We had some names for GMs like that back in the day, most of which can't be printed in a family-friendly area...


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I've seen people in past editions claiming that freedom of movement would cause you to fall to your death if you jumped into the ocean (because the water offered no resistance).


That's... interesting. I'd never rule it that way, but it is... interesting. (I say interesting instead of [expletive].)

By that logic, I imagine one under the effects of a Freedom of Movement spell/effect would have to check for movement, just as if they were always in the effect of a Grease spell... no friction and all...

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