Summoning while inside creatures?

[Murdock Mudeater]

Hypothetical.

I know you can't summon creatures inside of other creatures, but if the party is inside a very large creature, like the whale in Pinocchio, can the summoner summon creatures?

[Tarantula]

Quote:

Creatures cannot be summoned into an environment that cannot support them.

As long as the whale is capable of supporting the creatures summoned (size/weight) and the caster has LOE to the point the creatures are being summoned to, it should work just fine.

[Avoron]

RAW, no. This is listed, of all places, in the rules for create water. It might be somewhere else too, but it's pretty clear here:
"Conjuration spells can't create substances or objects within a creature."

I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, if you happen to be inside of a creature and it fits the criteria Tarantula mentioned. As to RAI, I have no idea.

[Tarantula]

Avoron wrote:

RAW, no. This is listed, of all places, in the rules for create water. It might be somewhere else too, but it's pretty clear here:

"Conjuration spells can't create substances or objects within a creature."

I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, if you happen to be inside of a creature and it fits the criteria Tarantula mentioned. As to RAI, I have no idea.

I disagree. Conjuration spells only create substances or objects when they are (creation) spells such as create water. Summoning spells are conjuration (summoning). The only logical reasoning I see for creation not being able to create things inside of creatures is because you do not have line of effect to the inside of the creature.

[Val'bryn2]

As long as the creature summoned can fit inside it, and you happen to be inside it, I see no problem. Still, it makes things interesting if you summon, say, a fire elemental, then I'ld rule that both summoner and consumer take the damage from burn.

[Caderyn]

Its actually mostly so people dont use create water to try and fill a creatures lungs (making it a suffocation effect) rather than a cantrip level spell.

[Tarantula]

Caderyn wrote:

Its actually mostly so people dont use create water to try and fill a creatures lungs (making it a suffocation effect) rather than a cantrip level spell.

I understand the balance reason why. I meant a rules why other than the one sentence in create water.

[Avoron]

Yeah, I just looked at the subschool classifications more closely, and I agree with you guys.