whatever happened to the spirit of 1969?


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So, please forgive me, but I'm just looking through all the phantom choices, and here's what we got

anger
fear
hatred
jealousy
zeal

1. Okay, so, these look a little like thassilonian magic schools (4 negative, 1 positive). All well and good. Maybe that's the idea, and the final book will have all 7 (although if OA is a hardcover, what, the Lust phantom will be called the 'dancing hall' phantom).
2. The second thing out of my head is this quote

Yoda wrote:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Uh, basically, where is the spirit of love? And, okay, I know the game is Pathfinder, not Oubliettes and Ogres, but there's seriously a lot of negative emotions to use to beat up bad guys: whatever happened to the opposite end of the scale?

Yes, I suppose one could play an inquisitor of Love, but a) there's no 'Love' inquisition, and b) a lot of the inquisitor's powers involve being grouchy at people.

For that matter, why no 'love' oracle mystery? Surely love is mysterious, just as much as nature or metal, right?


What's the rules question again? (Also, zeal is positive?)


James Jacobs wrote:
This forum is for general discussion of the playtest process, announcements, and updates. If you have feedback of a general nature, not necessarily tied to actual playtest feedback, please post that feedback in the Rules Discussion forum. All feedback tied directly to actual playtesting should be posted in the Playtest Feedback forum.

This is feedback of a general nature. Therefore, into the Rules Discussion forum go I. I suppose my question is this: are there nice emotions a phantom can be based off of? (Love being a perennially underserved favorite of mine)

In Thassilonian sin magic terms, zeal is the 'positive' reflection of sloth. Since sloth is traditionally a 'deadly sin', that makes zeal a good thing. Although the zeal phantom does seem a little OCD, perhaps.


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Zeal is positive.
Overzealousness is not.

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I clicked on this, thinking it was Doodlebug, discussing the Paris riots.

Vive Le Galt!

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ohako wrote:


This is feedback of a general nature. Therefore, into the Rules Discussion forum go I. I suppose my question is this: are there nice emotions a phantom can be based off of? (Love being a perennially underserved favorite of mine)

In Thassilonian sin magic terms, zeal is the 'positive' reflection of sloth. Since sloth is traditionally a 'deadly sin', that makes zeal a good thing. Although the zeal phantom does seem a little OCD, perhaps.

You seem to have a mistaken view of Thassilonian sin magic. Sin magic was not an evil perversion of good, but more like an evil perversion of something that was a bit less evil. (Xin wasn't exactly an Arthurian nice guy.) When Xin created the Runelord of "Love" it was more in the spirit of Orwell's "Ministry of Love". Just as we use the term "Peacemaker" for a missile carrying atomic warheads. It's probably a key reason why the Runelords he created as lieutenants, went rogue so quickly... they were the same kind of ambitious bastard he was.

It seems that the intention of the spiritualist is that the Phantom is essentially a spirit kept from moving on because of it's dark baggage, it's meant to give the class a grounding in a horror theme.

I personally think it's a refreshing change from EVERY OTHER pet class in the game, a "pet" that's not your slavring loyal lapdog, or a reflection of your psyche, or your best buddy. Something that clearly has it's own agenda and it's not a nice one.


LazarX wrote:
ohako wrote:


This is feedback of a general nature. Therefore, into the Rules Discussion forum go I. I suppose my question is this: are there nice emotions a phantom can be based off of? (Love being a perennially underserved favorite of mine)

In Thassilonian sin magic terms, zeal is the 'positive' reflection of sloth. Since sloth is traditionally a 'deadly sin', that makes zeal a good thing. Although the zeal phantom does seem a little OCD, perhaps.

You seem to have a mistaken view of Thassilonian sin magic. Sin magic was not an evil perversion of good, but more like an evil perversion of something that was a bit less evil. (Xin wasn't exactly an Arthurian nice guy.) When Xin created the Runelord of "Love" it was more in the spirit of Orwell's "Ministry of Love". Just as we use the term "Peacemaker" for a missile carrying atomic warheads. It's probably a key reason why the Runelords he created as lieutenants, went rogue so quickly... they were the same kind of ambitious bastard he was.

It seems that the intention of the spiritualist is that the Phantom is essentially a spirit kept from moving on because of it's dark baggage, it's meant to give the class a grounding in a horror theme.

I personally think it's a refreshing change from EVERY OTHER pet class in the game, a "pet" that's not your slavering loyal lapdog, or a reflection of your psyche, or your best buddy. Something that clearly has it's own agenda and it's not a nice one.

Sin magic goop aside, I like your use of 'dark baggage'. I'm so glad someone brought that up.

So, let's say that Whoopi Goldberg is a spiritualist and Patrick Swayze is her phantom. What is Patrick Swayze's emotional focus? It's not one of playtest ones, that's for sure.


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ohako wrote:
LazarX wrote:
ohako wrote:


This is feedback of a general nature. Therefore, into the Rules Discussion forum go I. I suppose my question is this: are there nice emotions a phantom can be based off of? (Love being a perennially underserved favorite of mine)

In Thassilonian sin magic terms, zeal is the 'positive' reflection of sloth. Since sloth is traditionally a 'deadly sin', that makes zeal a good thing. Although the zeal phantom does seem a little OCD, perhaps.

You seem to have a mistaken view of Thassilonian sin magic. Sin magic was not an evil perversion of good, but more like an evil perversion of something that was a bit less evil. (Xin wasn't exactly an Arthurian nice guy.) When Xin created the Runelord of "Love" it was more in the spirit of Orwell's "Ministry of Love". Just as we use the term "Peacemaker" for a missile carrying atomic warheads. It's probably a key reason why the Runelords he created as lieutenants, went rogue so quickly... they were the same kind of ambitious bastard he was.

It seems that the intention of the spiritualist is that the Phantom is essentially a spirit kept from moving on because of it's dark baggage, it's meant to give the class a grounding in a horror theme.

I personally think it's a refreshing change from EVERY OTHER pet class in the game, a "pet" that's not your slavering loyal lapdog, or a reflection of your psyche, or your best buddy. Something that clearly has it's own agenda and it's not a nice one.

Sin magic goop aside, I like your use of 'dark baggage'. I'm so glad someone brought that up.

So, let's say that Whoopi Goldberg is a spiritualist and Patrick Swayze is her phantom. What is Patrick Swayze's emotional focus? It's not one of playtest ones, that's for sure.

Clay pottery?


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For what it's worth, there are going to be more phantoms in the final book when it comes out.

Stephen Radney-Macfarland wrote:
The published class will have a more complete list of emotional foci.

Just a few more months, and we'll all be able to see what those are.


Not exactly what you're asking about (at all), buuuuuuuu~uut, kinda close? (Or, alternately?)

:D

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