LN Asmodeus worshipper?


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So this just randomly came to me when thinking about my previous post (about Inquisitors).

How would a LN Asmodeon really justify what he's doing. Tyranny and slavery seem fairly evil... though I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder? It's tough because in real world thinking, yes, it's evil. But in Golarian, slavery is actually very common. Even Absalom, the free city of the world, has a district for it and allows it. So would a LN Asmodeon basically believe that the strong survive, that order is a must and that slavery is allowed (though not without remorse or strict rules regarding the treatment)?


Depends on who is being tyrannied and enslaved. At least at first.

I just saying that a nice city that has vikings shows up every couple years to eat drink and pillage their homes and daughters seems like the kind of place that would love to put those a-holes in chains and have them pushing shone blocks into a pyramid for the next 100 years.

And if a nice man with an pleasingly deep voice with red skin and horns is the one offering to make that happen... well, so be it.

So a LN could be the type that 'brings down the gavel' on these chaotic threats to his fair city. He then forces those that caused such harm to pay reparations in the form of physical labor.

And really, slavery, in part (I do not claim to have an extensive knowledge of slavery's history, so take this with a grain of salt), came about as a more human solution in cases of intertribal conflict. Because if you do not keep a watch on these people that threatened your homes and families, then they might sneak in during the night to slit your throat. So either you keep them under guard in one place, or you prevent the problem with an ax.

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This Lawful Neutral cleric of a Lawful Good deity, Erastil, sees no problem with a Lawful Neutral cleric of a Lawful Evil deity. I sense a double standard in play here with respect to Good and Evil.


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Rodinia wrote:
This Lawful Neutral cleric of a Lawful Good deity, Erastil, sees no problem with a Lawful Neutral cleric of a Lawful Evil deity. I sense a double standard in play here with respect to Good and Evil.

Well, he might see something wrong, if he used a detect evil spell. Since clerics have that whole 'aura' thing where they detect as their deity's alignment. So no way for them to actually know that the guy is LN.

Of course, that is a perfectly fine argument that the LE guy could use- "Hey guys, I am LN, you can trust me! It is just my god that is causing that to ping!"

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Lawful neutral people can very easily justify slavery if it's what they are raised with. It's an economic necessity. There will always be those at the bottom. Slavery is better than poverty because masters have incentive to care for their property - poor wage earners are often chewed up, spit out, and replaced. Slavery is just and rightful when used as punishment, or as a way for some to repay debts.

Tyranny is even easier if you don't call it that. People are still justifying tyranny today. In unity there is strength. If we do not provide a unified front against The Enemy, we will be destroyed. It is better to deal harshly with dissidents and troublemakers than to let The Enemy win. (In Asmodeus' case demons make a very easy Enemy.)

LN clerics of LE and LG deities probably think of themselves as the moderates of their faith. They have a more nuanced, "realistic" worldview and a capacity for compromise - as long as that compromise involves communal order and respect for authority. They might even get along rather well as long as they can avoid talking religion.

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Wallie Desruisseaux wrote:

I know, a second post in one hour!

So this just randomly came to me when thinking about my previous post (about Inquisitors).

How would a LN Asmodeon really justify what he's doing. Tyranny and slavery seem fairly evil... though I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder? It's tough because in real world thinking, yes, it's evil. But in Golarian, slavery is actually very common. Even Absalom, the free city of the world, has a district for it and allows it. So would a LN Asmodeon basically believe that the strong survive, that order is a must and that slavery is allowed (though not without remorse or strict rules regarding the treatment)?

Most inquisitors and clerics of a god will follow his exact alignment. Those one step away are actually outliers.

Fact of the matter is people justify "evil" actions every day in "the real world". It's called rationalization. The Lawful Neutral Asmodean will be more focused on rules and regulations and place. He'll never be part of the ranking hieararchy because he's simply not in fully line with the part plan.


If you read the lore on Asmodeus he is well respected by all the lawful gods for his past as well as present deeds. He was also the only god powerful enough to bind Rovagug in ages past and still holds the key to his prison. Check out his lore page on pathfinderwiki, it has a lot of information on him you might find interesting.

You could be LN with respect to his role as the arbitrary authority figure with no tolerance for stupidity. As far as being evil goes try not to overplay it but keep tabs on everyone that breaks laws, even small ones, so you can step in and brand them as criminals. Think Batman from the justice lords.


LazarX wrote:
Wallie Desruisseaux wrote:

I know, a second post in one hour!

So this just randomly came to me when thinking about my previous post (about Inquisitors).

How would a LN Asmodeon really justify what he's doing. Tyranny and slavery seem fairly evil... though I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder? It's tough because in real world thinking, yes, it's evil. But in Golarian, slavery is actually very common. Even Absalom, the free city of the world, has a district for it and allows it. So would a LN Asmodeon basically believe that the strong survive, that order is a must and that slavery is allowed (though not without remorse or strict rules regarding the treatment)?

Most inquisitors and clerics of a god will follow his exact alignment. Those one step away are actually outliers.

Fact of the matter is people justify "evil" actions every day in "the real world". It's called rationalization. The Lawful Neutral Asmodean will be more focused on rules and regulations and place. He'll never be part of the ranking hieararchy because he's simply not in fully line with the part plan.

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I see a LN Asmodeus worshipper as a cold, distant judge type. He represents cold, unfeeling, merciless logic, and one who accepts no excuses for misbehavior.

He sees Asmodeus not as somebody to be emulated in all behavior (for Asmodeus can be treacherous), but as the being who rightfully punishes those who abuse freedom, transgress against the law, or attempt to break their promises.


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Well, he might see something wrong, if he used a detect evil spell. Since clerics have that whole 'aura' thing where they detect as their deity's alignment. So no way for them to actually know that the guy is LN.

Nah aura matches deity. He'd detect as evil.

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Some great points in here, peoples. Thanks a ton.


He's a bit deluded as to the nature of Asmodeus. The LE priests of Asmodeus have convinced him that Asmodeus's primary attribute is law, not evil, and He's in Hell because that's the only place He could establish complete dominion over, since Axis has lots of other deities in it. Slavery is necessary because some races (e.g. halflings) are constitutionally unfit for self-rule. (This is what he's been taught, so it's just like the casual racism of people in the 19th century when "everyone knew" blacks and indians were less intelligent than whites.) There is a hierarchy in the universe -- the great chain of being from lesser beings to greater.

Yeah, it's kind of a weird mindset to get into.

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Rodinia's point was that she, despite being Lawful Neutral, has the aura of her deity and thus detects as Lawful Good. A lawful neutral cleric of Asmodeus would detect as Lawful Evil. They have the same alignment, yet one detects as Evil and the other detects as Good. The take away lesson here is know the limitations of magical detection. Use it as a tool, but don't trust it.

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