Really, no kidding! ;)
We have some time and gold to prepare before we have to go down to the
Nine Hells to finish some business with Asmodeus.
We cannot buy magic stuff, but our casters have the most important
item creation feats (wondrous, arms & armor, rings, scrolls, potions).
We are 5 players:
- human fighter 16 / monk 1, trip & crit build with holy fauchard +3 in mithral full plate +4 (that's me)
- human druid 16 / monk 1, fire & summoner
- human ranger 17, archer
- human sorcerer 17, lightning guy
- dwarf cleric 16 / fighter 1, healer & wild surprises (good and bad...)
Any ideas what to bring?
I still have 60k gold to spend. (all Paizo books allowed)
Here's my (fighter) equipment list (which is quite great, cause I got
most of that custom made and for half price):
- fauchard +3, holy
- mithral full plate +4
- amulet natural armor +5
- ring deflection +5
- ring freedom of movement
- cloak resistance +4
- headband wisdom +4
- belt str & dex +6
- ioun stone con +2
- gloves of dueling
- boots of speed
- quickrunner's shirt
- many enlarge potions...
things that come to my mind:
- improving the +: fauchard, armor, cloak, belt (to con +6)
- luckstone
- jingasa of the fortunate soldier
- cap of the free thinker
- bracelet of second chances
Any other suggestions and hints are welcome!
Evil outsider bane weapon?
Maybe tag the fauchard with Bane (Evil outsiders)?
That'd make 11k if crafted.
Either a means of flying (such as lots of potions) or a missile weapon.
Thanks for your replies so far!
What is "wayfinder"? Which ioun stone do you mean?
Bane (Evil outsiders) - OMG, how could I forget that one?!
But does that work in hell?
I remember from older editions that enhancement bonusses went down, some stuff didn't work at all on the outer planes, that still so?
Flying... hm, always relied on the sorcerer, but some more potions make sense, also at least a +1 adaptive comp. long bow.
The GM might have homebrew to that effect, but there's nothing official about that in the books.
If you're getting a longbow, slap bane onto it as well.
"Nothing official" sounds good, mostly our GM sticks to that. Let's hope so...
Any other ideas for ranged weapons?
Problem is I don't have quick draw, and the bow won't do enough damage unless it's holy, which might get a little too expensive.
1 - monk 1 because of: +2 all saves, 2 feats, many skills, and 5ft-range tripping AoO
wayfinder & ioun stone: I'm afraid we won't get that, we usually stick to the hardcover books we have.
Picking up Bane Evil outsider and Bane Lawful outsider will give you +4 more to hit and 4d6+4 to damage.
It seems to be generally agreed on the forums that this doesn't work due to 'same source' or 'you can't have the same property twice' or something.
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"Holy" bonus to a weapon. It's a +2 bonus and deals 2D6 damage to any evil creatures.
Moves past the question of who is the outsider and thus if evil outsider bane would work in hell. If your GM allows the bane, take both.
Definately, resistance to fire in either ring form or having it applied to your armor.
If you have the left over gold, frost and possibly frost burst since most are not immune (and possibly have weakness) to cold.
Thanks for all the advice so far!
A few comments:
- bane + bane is not allowed by our GM
- my weapon is already holy, so it will be an extra +2 / 4d6+2
- one of the few things our GM mentioned was to keep a low profile, so I'll forward some hints you gave to the spellcasters.
- as we have some time to prepare available, we'll try to find out as much as possible in advance how our GM's hell works (sounds strange!)
Good plan about reading up on hell.
Holy Water dropped by magical creatures and/or servants is an excellent way to whittle down evil outsiders in combat.
Holy water, really? At level 17?
Are there any rules how to handle large amounts of holy water?
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Don't forget to pack a fiddle.
Find out everything you can about what you are getting yourself into. Do some homework, talk to sages, scry, commune whatever you can to gain information.
There are going to be more Will Saves than is comfortable. Anything you can find to help protect against dominate/mind control.
Some type of energy protection is going to be a must have in my opinion. The energy attacks are going to be more of an issue than the melee attacks.
Standard things like a method to fly and a method to deal with flying creatures. Some life support (Necklace of Adaptation?) or soemthing similar. Freedom of Movement. Most importantly, True Sight.
The question you need to get answered is if Devils in Hell are considered Outsiders? In my world they are not but your milage may vary. That will make a big difference.
Don't under estimate type 1 bags of holding full of Holy Water. That's 250 pounds of Holy water. That is going to cause some serious problems, espeially if you have multiple.
Someone already mentioned this but multiple "get out of jail free cards". Dismissal, Gate, Word of Recall. if it goes bad I would think it going REALLY bad and you are going to want multiple ways to get out. Finding some way to be immune to Dimensional Anchor might be a bonus =)
A few more...
Traveler's Anytool - always :)
Bead of Newt Prevention (possibly more than 1)
Escape Dust
Bottled Yeti Fur (because amulet of natural armor is an enhancement bonus to nat armor and will stack with base nat armor)
Fortifying Stone
Tengu Drinking Jug
Hat of Disguise
Bottle of Air / Necklace of Adaptation
Void Pennant
Iron Spike of Safe Passage (to hide campsites, unless one of your casters is making demi planes)
Spectral Shroud
Blood Reservoir of Physical Prowess
Goggles of Night (unless you already have Darkvision in some other manner)
Silver Spindle IOUN Stone (3x/day of a single 1st L spell chosen when item is created, cast at your character Level ; suggestions: shield, liberating command, unwelcome halo, vanish, aspect of the falcon, faerie fire, feather step, air bubble, obscuring mist, entropic shield, fallback strategy, sanctify corpse, or Abadar's truthtelling)
Pale Green Prism IOUN Stone
-TimD
Bane and the pale green ioun stone would be great. If you crit a lot, why not go vorpal?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abil ities/vorpal
If you expect there to be a ceiling from which to hang from, CLOAK OF THE BAT would be something very nice all of the non-melee players could have as to stay out of reach of baddies.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/c-d/cloak -of-the-bat
If you can at all get your hand on one (though you probably can't) then I recommend picking up an "Ampoule of False Blood" of the aquatic bloodline for the sorcerer. The 15th level power "Raise the deep" can be hilarious to spring on enemies if the party has the means to deal with underwater combat.
That's pretty much what saved my party's asses when we went to hell to fight a boss some months ago.
Some more good suggestions, thanks!
Talked to our GM...
No wayfinders, no ampoule of false blood.
But we'll be able to get that planar adaptation spell.
I actually haven't mentioned what we're supposed to do in hell:
We have to find and get some artefact which Asmodeus uses as a "proxy"
to pretend being some other good deity to deceive a big city's clergy
on our prime. I think we'll get some hint where to look.
So we must stay undetected as long as possible, because of this
"divinely morphic" thing. Cause if we know where to find the artefact,
but the controlling deity changes the plane... well, that's it.
Some more ideas to not let the devils teleport?
BTW: embarassing, but I always forget that my fighter is half-elf, not that it matters, but playing that PC for 2.5 years now and 17 levels... no racism towards my elvish side meant! ;)
Another thing that just came to my mind:
Wasn't there a problem with bags of holding and inter-planar travel,
or has that also changed from older editions?
Haven't ever done any planar stuff in PF yet as you can see.
I don't think so. Bag of Holding is an extradimensional space. The only problem with extradimensional spaces is that you can't put an extradimensional space inside another one.
boring7,
looks like we need that banner + dim. anchor, I haven't found any other
anti-teleport-area yet, our druid will start some further book research.
Concerning damage reduction / epic:
does a +4 fauchard evil outsider bane count as +6 (vs evil outsiders) and thus as epic?
damage reduction / epic:
does a +4 fauchard evil outsider bane count as +6 (vs evil outsiders) and thus as epic?
Yes. It raises the enhancement bonus, which is what counts. Although not if the +4 is from a greater magic weapon spell.
Maybe, but it does not say anywhere that 2 different bane properties do not stack unlike with elemental properties. In my home game, I would allow it as the weapon becomes highly deadly to 1 or 2 specific groups while gaining you the hatred of many groups.
It does actually, in the FAQ Here.
Could summon celestial monkeys or similar to throw the Holy Water.
If you are level 17, you are higher level then some rulers on the material plane. You "should" have access to a number of wanna be heros who would follow you into the depths of hell. Also, having an army of servants makes you look more like a VID (very important devil) if you wanna go the "hide in plain sight" route.
Taking some cannon fodder with us? Not our style...
And there's only one of us with a good bluff skill, so we better try to be stealthy than going the VID route.
One liar and a handful of destroyers can still BS their way along as a skilled hit squad working for another devil or the demons. I mean it's not your primary plan, but it makes a good backup.
True!
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You should stop eating shellfish.
Holy water, really? At level 17?
Are there any rules how to handle large amounts of holy water?
A flask of holy water is a pint(bless water) and weighs 1 lb(equipment). If you use a dust of dryness filled with holy water it can hold up to 100 gallons, or 800 pints of the liquid, which is 1600d4 worth of damage assuming your DM allows it; however, the rules seem to be unclear how holy water works in vast quantities, nor does it really clarify what happens when you drop a splash based weapon onto someone instead of making an attack with it; dust of dryness says that it absorbs water, which might not include holy water; your DM may question where the 800 pints of holy water came from, let alone the 4000 lbs of silver used to make it; and many DMs may find it ridiculous that you're spending 20850 gp on a 1600d4 attack.
Even if your DM doesn't allow for such shenanigans in your game having an unseen servant or familiar with a bag of holding drop a few of them on top of an outsider still does a good amount of damage and can make or break a fight.