Can NPCs retrain? Can PCs be the trainer? Can you waive the fee?

[Nearyn]

Basically the questions in the title.

Since NPCs have half hp, can you retrain their hp? if so, can a PC be the trainer? If so, can you, as the PC, chose to ignore the money that are supposed to be changing hands? Or do they represent more than a fee for services rendered?

-Nearyn

[wraithstrike]

Nearyn wrote:

Basically the questions in the title.

Since NPCs have half hp, can you retrain their hp? if so, can a PC be the trainer? If so, can you, as the PC, chose to ignore the money that are supposed to be changing hands? Or do they represent more than a fee for services rendered?

-Nearyn

The rule was made for PC's, and the fee is not supposed to be waived, even if you had a leadership and your cohort was retraining you. You are paying for the retraining. The trainer is more of an RP thing.

As for your main question that is up to the GM. I would allow it, but it would have to be paid for.

[Berinor]

I wouldn't let them fully waive the cost. I would probably say that it's half payment to the trainer and half supplies, allowing them to get it for half price if a PC is the trainer.

Edit: since this is the Rules forum rather than the Advice forum, my answer is off-topic. As far as I'm aware, there are no rules for PC trainers. Therefore you're firmly in fiat-land.

[Zaister]

Actually, you even have to pay the full fee when you retrain without a trainer.

Ultimate Campaign wrote:

Some retraining options require you to work with a trainer. If no suitable trainer is available, the GM might allow you to retrain yourself by spending twice the normal time. Even if you train yourself, you must still pay the cost for training (though you don't double the cost as you do the time). Any option that requires a trainer also requires some kind of training facility for that activity (such as a Dojo).

So, there really is no rationale for waiving the fee just because a PC is the trainer.

[Chemlak]

RAW: Yes, Yes, No.

Reasons: all rules apply equally to all characters. The retraining rules don't specifiy that the trainer must be an NPC. The rules don't explain what the fee is for, so there's no way to determine how much of it ends up in the trainer's pocket, and how much is used up with consumable items to help the trainer do the training.

Allowing a portion of the fee (I would suggest 25-50%) to be waived is a reasonable houserule, though.

[Greylurker]

slippery slope though, can lead to

"I retrain all the NPC followers I get from leadership feat into PC class NPCs"

Given them an inch and they'll take a mile

[Nearyn]

Thanks alot for the quick and helpful responses, everyone :)

-Nearyn

[Chemlak]

Retraining NPC levels is covered in the rules:

Quote:

If you are retraining a level in an NPC class (adept, aristocrat, commoner, or expert) to a level in any other class, the training takes only 3 days. This allows an NPC soldier to begin her career as a warrior and eventually become an officer who is a single-classed fighter, and for a younger character to start out with one commoner or expert level and become a 1st-level adventurer with a PC class when he reaches adulthood.

I would hate to spend the 660 days, and the 6,600 gp necessary to retrain all of them at max leadership score. More time if you don't have someone to actually do the training (though in that case they could self-retrain concurrently in no more than 36 days).

I might actually have to suggest this to my players...

[ryric]

Yeah, my first thought was "now my cohort has maximum hp!" I'd say the costs are for supplies/materials.

[Claxon]

Given the posted rules information it seems like a clear no.

As a GM I might allow you to retrain classes of NPCs for free, but definitely not retrain hp for any discount.

[Zaister]

By the way, NPCs do not have "half hp", they have average hp.

[Juda de Kerioth]

the rule apply for all, and even if a monster want to retrain an ability he can do that for shure... they only has to pay or do the equivalent thing...

a bird teach to her childrens to fly... why not to le the npcs use the same rules for players convenience?

I use to play my NPC´s as GM Characters, and i love to flesh them out as if i were a one player more at the table. And always think in an NPC as a apendix to the party (putting one or two things that the party needs), so, if the party decides that any of them needs to retrain something for anything more suitable for the party, then, let them happen