Monk unarmed strike damage


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I’m making a Monk for a mythic campaign, looking at the following.

Items:
STONEFIST GLOVES
While a creature wears stonefist gloves, his unarmed strike damage is treated as if he were one size category larger
MONKS ROBE
If the wearer has levels in monk, her AC and unarmed damage is treated as a monk of five levels higher.

Feats:
TITAN STRIKE (MYTHIC)
Your unarmed strike deals damage as if you were one size category larger.

Spels:
MYTHIC ENLARGE PERSON
You can increase the target's size by up to two size categories, to a maximum of Huge.

Lokking at:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ly3p?Damage-by-size-charts-extended

Monk level 10:
Base damage = 1d10
Monk’s Robe = 2d6
Stonefist Gloves = 3d6
Titan Strike = 4d6
Enlarge Person = 6d6
Mythic Enlarge Person = 8d6

Will this Work and Stack like i think it dos?


Your number progression is accurate, though I'm not sure why you have enlarge person and mythic enlarge person together. 8d6 is your cap now, going up to 8d8 at level 11, with 12d8 being your maximum when you hit level 15. Add in the spell strong jaw and let the damage go nuts.


I believe Stonefist Gloves & Titan Strike will not stack as they are granting essentially the same benefit, which is an equivalent size increase.


bookwormbabe29 wrote:


Your number progression is accurate, though I'm not sure why you have enlarge person and mythic enlarge person together. 8d6 is your cap now, going up to 8d8 at level 11, with 12d8 being your maximum when you hit level 15. Add in the spell strong jaw and let the damage go nuts.

I did put the normal Enlarge person in the list to show 1 size step increments


Dolanar wrote:
I believe Stonefist Gloves & Titan Strike will not stack as they are granting essentially the same benefit, which is an equivalent size increase.

As I wrote in that other thread, size should be a number, and size increases should be typed bonuses. As it stands, though, size increase stack with each other (unless it's explicitly said they don't - and, even if not, if it's a polymorph effect, you can only benefit from one at a time).

YMMV, of course. I know that many GMs will use Rule Zero to reject that kind of shenanigans, especially if the rest of the party isn't as optimized.


The thing with size increases not stacking comes down to the exact wording. The specific wording that always disallows it is things that say "as if it/they were one size larger than normal" or "were two sizes larger than it actually is". Because both are comparing to the "base" size and increasing that. Everything else is a lovely mess that probably stacks but GMs are well within their right to say no to based on the fact that the abilities could be implying that you're only increasing from the base.

The only two problematic ones here are Stonefist Gloves and Titan Strike, because both alter your unarmed strike to be one size larger. If they don't interact with each other (Stonefist using Titan Strike as the base) than only one of them benefits you.


Bob Bob Bob wrote:

The thing with size increases not stacking comes down to the exact wording. The specific wording that always disallows it is things that say "as if it/they were one size larger than normal" or "were two sizes larger than it actually is". Because both are comparing to the "base" size and increasing that. Everything else is a lovely mess that probably stacks but GMs are well within their right to say no to based on the fact that the abilities could be implying that you're only increasing from the base.

The only two problematic ones here are Stonefist Gloves and Titan Strike, because both alter your unarmed strike to be one size larger. If they don't interact with each other (Stonefist using Titan Strike as the base) than only one of them benefits you.

I would argue that a Feat, especially a mythic feat, would take precedence over a magic item. Simply because feats are inherent to your character (so far as I am aware).

EDIT: What I'm trying to say here, is that your base size for Unarmed Strikes, then becomes Base+1, in the case of a Medium sized monk, Large. Thus, they would stack.


Right, and that's exactly what I said. "probably stacks" "but a GM might refuse" "why a GM might refuse"

I honestly don't know what's correct (lots of size issues could use a FAQ) but this could go either way. I'm not worried about table variation because PFS doesn't do mythic, so it's an "ask your GM thing". I would recommended prefacing it with "because mythic is all about being awesome".

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