Disguise Weapon spell's limits


Rules Questions

Shadow Lodge

Disguise Weapon, ACG p180 wrote:
You make one manufactured weapon look like a different manufactured weapon of the same size and relative encumbrance (light, one-handed, or two-handed). For example, you could make a Small greatsword look like a Small quarterstaff, a Medium club, or a Large dagger. Even the appearance of an improvised weapon is possible. The extent of the apparent change is up to you. You could add or obscure a minor feature or make the item look like it is composed of different materials (stone, wood, adamantine, and so on). The spell does not provide any of the abilities of the chosen form, nor does it alter the perceived tactile or audible properties of the item or how it is wielded. A creature that interacts with the glamer may attempt a Will save to recognize it as an illusion.

What are the disguising limits of this spell?

Doesn't saying that it can take on the appearance of an improvised weapon suggest that it has no limits? That's the nature of being "improvised".

It seems you could turn your greatsword into a barstool, or a rope, or a shovel. Or a dagger into an inkpen, a lantern, or a pitcher.


Improvised Weapons wrote:
To determine the size category and appropriate damage for an improvised weapon, compare its relative size and damage potential to the weapon list to find a reasonable match.

Improvised weapons size and damage potential are linked to the size and damage potential of manufactured weapons. A chair legs damage potential and size matches with a club (1d6). A greatsword is bigger than a chair leg and it is doing more damage. So it never can be disguised as a chair leg. It must be something like a square timber or a ladder. A dagger is heavier and larger than an inkpen. A lantern or pitcher seems a valid choice.

Relative size, the weight and common sense (and GM fiat) are the limits of this spell.


What are the limits on disguising a reach weapon?

RAW only indicates handedness as the limiting factor, can you disguise a Lance as a Scythe, or an Orc Double Axe as a Greatsword? (The point being to disguise your reach or number of attacks.)

How many options does a Bastard Sword have for disguise? Must it be counted only as 1 handed?


Archaeik wrote:

What are the limits on disguising a reach weapon?

RAW only indicates handedness as the limiting factor, can you disguise a Lance as a Scythe, or an Orc Double Axe as a Greatsword? (The point being to disguise your reach or number of attacks.)

How many options does a Bastard Sword have for disguise? Must it be counted only as 1 handed?

Good question.

And FFS, a Bastard Sword is a one-handed weapon. That's what it is. Some people wield it in two hands because they're insufficiently skilled, but that doesn't change what the weapon is. That has been answered, officially, again and again and again.


I suspected as much with respect to RAW.

Any thoughts on using this spell to be sneaky about your reach?
Ostensibly, your opponent wouldn't get a save until they interacted with your AoO... sounds pretty amusing to me.

What about making your melee weapon appear like a ranged(missile) weapon? (or vise versa)

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