Does Banner of the Ancient Kings stack with Poet's Cloak?

[Carla the Profane]

Does Poet's Cloak stack with Banner of the Ancient Kings (BotAK) for the purpose of granting a higher level Inspire courage?

The reason I'm asking is because I want to make a skald that can perform raging song and inspire courage at the same time using this spell: Virtuoso Performance and it would be nice to have a higher inspire courage bonus than +1.

Add flagbearer, haste and some other stuff and I recon this will be one hell of a support if i can get it to work.

[Emmit Svenson]

A skald with both the cloak (“grants the use of inspire courage ... as a 4th-level bard...”) and banner (“...a bard ... is treated as four levels higher than his actual bard level for the purposes of determining the bonuses granted by his inspire courage bardic performance ability”) would inspire courage as an 8th level bard.

The banner is a great test to see if your GM is a softie. If your enemies don’t sunder it, your GM’s a softie.

[Fomsie]

While I think this item needs a rewrite to apply directly to Skalds... as they are far more suited to the Linnorm Kings... I don't see it applying here.

The Cloak says it grants the use of the Bardic Performance at a Bard level, it does not grant a Bard level. It does not make him a bard.

The Banner states that when a Bard carries it it improves their bardic performance. It doesn't say if the bearer has the bardic performance ability, it says bard... the Skald isn't a bard.

It would be cool... but expensive in performance rounds... but I really don't see any language that supports it working. I would say the same for an Evangelist Archetype Cleric, they have a similar ability, but they are not a Bard.

[Carla the Profane]

Skald counts as both bard and barbarian.

The real question is; does poets cloak give you the inspire courage class ability, or only something like it?

[Fomsie]

Carla the Profane wrote:

Skald counts as both bard and barbarian.

Where exactly does it say that?

It says that they are the parent classes, it says they can multi class with those classes with some potential limitations, but I don't see anything that says they count as their parent classes.

If I am missing it, awesome, I would love some things to work that way, but I can't find any broad stroke generic statement saying they always count as their parent class. If you have a link I would much appreciate it.

[Carla the Profane]

And even if not, I could pretend to be with use magic device. Would it work?