How do I make a charismatic bastard of a character?

[Axelthegreat]

Specifically, I am looking for a character to have insanely high diplomacy and bluff. Currently on my list of things to incorporate is to be human and take the silver tongued racial trait. What class would be a good choice, and what other bonuses should I look at? I'm trying to build a mastermind with a network of contacts, combat is not a focus with this character, and I'm hoping to have high enough diplomacy to talk their way out of situations.

[Chess Pwn]

investigator, mastermind archetype.

[Master of the Dark Triad]

Bastard with high CHA? Paladin.

[DominusMegadeus]

Chess Pwn wrote:

investigator, mastermind archetype.

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Thisthisthis.

Mastermind was made for this stuff.

[Axelthegreat]

Thanks, I didn't even know the investigator class was a thing. I'm going to have fun with this.

In D&D4e I had a vampire character who was charismatic as hell and convinced a bandit to assist them against the rest of their camp, as well as once it was revealed she was a vampire convinced the party's (lawful stupid) pally to not kill her, and in fact assist her.

charismatic bastard characters are fun.

[Axelthegreat]

Now... how to stack diplomacy to the sky...

[ShroudedInLight]

Well, I came up with a build that let you throw Charisma onto everything so you can be smooth tongued and effective in combat.

Sadly it does not really start working for a while and is really only good by level 15 if you want Cha to Damage but the basic elements of it could still apply to your character with just a one point investment.

Multiclass for 1 levels into Nature Oracle, take the Nature's Whisper's Revelation and the Noble Scion feat (Scion of War).

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/noble-scion

Now your Cha is used instead of your Dex for AC, CMB, and Initiative/

If you get 2nd level divine spells, you can grab Divine Protection which is paladin tier saves without the cost...though it isn't PFS legal.

Still, you basically replace Dex as a stat at this point.

[Axelthegreat]

ShroudedInLight wrote:

Well, I came up with a build that let you throw Charisma onto everything so you can be smooth tongued and effective in combat.

Sadly it does not really start working for a while and is really only good by level 15 if you want Cha to Damage but the basic elements of it could still apply to your character with just a one point investment.

Multiclass for 1 levels into Nature Oracle, take the Nature's Whisper's Revelation and the Noble Scion feat (Scion of War).

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/noble-scion

Now your Cha is used instead of your Dex for AC, CMB, and Initiative/

If you get 2nd level divine spells, you can grab Divine Protection which is paladin tier saves without the cost...though it isn't PFS legal.

Still, you basically replace Dex as a stat at this point.

Sweet! I expected this guy to be super squishy and near useless in combat, assuming he couldn't talk his way out. Thanks.

[Master of Shadows]

Personally I would have made an intelligent bastard sword with a high charisma score, but that might be taking the thread title too literally.

[Axelthegreat]

Master of Shadows wrote:

Personally I would have made an intelligent bastard sword with a high charisma score, but that might be taking the thread title too literally.

That is still not out of the question.

[Gnomezrule]

All of the above suggestions will work statistically if you can't pull it off at the table though . . .

Its one of those unfair things about RPGs most of us cannot slam through iron banded oak doors but our characters do so with just a roll. However being a charismatic character involves the stats and other mechanics but in the end a poorly phrased question or other social flub still make you fail despite the big roll. Its probably not fair but most tables work that way.

[Axelthegreat]

Gnomezrule wrote:

All of the above suggestions will work statistically if you can't pull it off at the table though . . .

Its one of those unfair things about RPGs most of us cannot slam through iron banded oak doors but our characters do so with just a roll. However being a charismatic character involves the stats and other mechanics but in the end a poorly phrased question or other social flub still make you fail despite the big roll. Its probably not fair but most tables work that way.

I understand that, but I've pulled it off before, so I'm confident I can do this again.

[Gnomezrule]

Then you will be fine.