Thrown Weapons


Rules Questions

Grand Lodge

Where do you store them?

Naturally, the Quick Draw feat would help with speed. But that doesn't matter if it's considered a "stored item" instead of an easily-accesible one. (It would not be good to rely on thrown darts as your primary weapon and yet trigger an AO every time you pulled one out!)

Would wearing a bandolier make getting a dart a "draw weapon" action instead of a "Retrieve Stored Item" action?

It would be super awesome if there existed a forearm-mounted quiver for darts. It would have to be tight-fitting, so that the darts wouldn't fall out, and I suppose its usefulness would depend on whether the darts in PF are fletched or not, but still a useful thing I would think. I doubt I could store 20 there, but you know, 5-6 would be exceptional.

Any thoughts?

Grand Lodge

Where you could keep it would depend a lot on the thrown weapon. Javelins could be kept in a quiver while daggers could be kept in a belt (especially if it was a Blinkback Belt).

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First, this is a Pathfinder rules question, not an organized play question, so I've flagged it for moving.

As for the question of where to keep your thrown weapons so you can "draw" them instead of digging them out of your backpack, I'm curious: do you ask the same question about swords or other melee weapons? Or do you assume it comes with whatever sort of scabbard or other basic contraption it would need in order to perform the function it was designed for?

Being able to "draw" your weapon is the default assumption. It's what you're able to do until you put yourself into an unusual predicament; it's not something you have to work to achieve.

Until you're trying to fit a yard sale's worth of weapons on your body or trying to keep them hidden from view, you can assume that all your weapons can be "drawn".

Grand Lodge

I actually did ask this question of a GM once. Do swords come with scabbards when purchased? The answer was yes. Now, it wasn't discussed what would happen with a "found" sword.

I guess I think of darts more like I think of arrows. The problem is that in the CRB, arrows are described as coming in a quiver. In fact, most such ammunition includes a storage description:

Arrows: quiver that holds 20 arrows
Bolts: case or quiver that holds 10 bolts
Bullets: leather pouch that holds 10 bullets

Darts don't even have a description.

I'm not going to worry about it. I bought 20 darts. I'm going to assume I can draw them until a GM presses me for how.

The reason I posted it in PFS rather than in PF Rules was that it seems like the kind of thing that would be decided at the table in a non-PFS game, but I thought those kinds of tableside decisions were discouraged in PFS, preferring to use the forums to determine standard play.

But if the move is appropriate, then that's fine too.

Thanks!


Darts are actual weapons, whereas the others are ammunition. So you can draw ammunition as part of the action of loading the weapon, but darts take the normal move action to draw a weapon.

Scarab Sages

Look at the art for Merisiel and where she keeps her daggers.

Silver Crusade

Here's a bit of idea-food: Merisiel

EDIT: ninja'd!

Grand Lodge

Gwen Smith wrote:
Darts are actual weapons, whereas the others are ammunition. So you can draw ammunition as part of the action of loading the weapon, but darts take the normal move action to draw a weapon.

Oh, I know. Mechanically it doesn't make any sense for drawing a dart to take longer than drawing and nocking an arrow, but there are plenty of other times where rules mechanics don't equal physics mechanics, so I'm not arguing about that. I just *imagine* a dart looking like an arrow but slightly smaller and without a notch on the back. Basically a hand-sized, fletched javelin. So when I think of storage, I think of a quiver. But no such device is described in the rules.

So the consensus seems to be that thrown weapon storage is a nonissue and that I'm overthinking it, right?

Awesome. Makes it simpler :)

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tchrman35 wrote:
Gwen Smith wrote:
Darts are actual weapons, whereas the others are ammunition. So you can draw ammunition as part of the action of loading the weapon, but darts take the normal move action to draw a weapon.

Oh, I know. Mechanically it doesn't make any sense for drawing a dart to take longer than drawing and nocking an arrow, but there are plenty of other times where rules mechanics don't equal physics mechanics, so I'm not arguing about that. I just *imagine* a dart looking like an arrow but slightly smaller and without a notch on the back. Basically a hand-sized, fletched javelin. So when I think of storage, I think of a quiver. But no such device is described in the rules.

So the consensus seems to be that thrown weapon storage is a nonissue and that I'm overthinking it, right?

Awesome. Makes it simpler :)

I actually picture a dart as being something like a stick (no fletchings at all) with an iron or metal tip. So the weight is in the tip and it's gripped by the shaft at the end and thrown overhand. I think I've seen sketchs of something like this, used by Roman troops, and often haveing several clipped inside of Imperial Roman legionaries shields. So, a dart would be little more than the front half of a javlin with an oversized head. And simple to carry in a quiver (small sized) hung from the belt. Or in scabards, like oversized daggers.


If you can find Merisiel as the Iconic Trickster she's got daggers sticking out everywhere. Every limb has at least 7 (3 on lower part, 1 at joint, 3 on upper part), she's got 3 on each shoulder, one tucked in each boot, under her arms, and at her waist, and those are just the visible ones. So if the iconic can do it with daggers (heavier weapons), presumably you can do it with darts. You'll still probably look like a pincushion though.

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