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Do the feats gained from the Human FCB work like the Warpriest's regular Bonus Feats; i.e. treat Warpriest level as BAB and count as Fighter level, or are they literally just bonus combat feats, where you'd have to meet the normal prerequisites with them?
If the former, does a Sacred Fist get regular Warpriest Bonus Feats (they still have the feature, the archetype just trades away all but the 15th level one away.), or would they instead get Style Feats?
I would rule it's a generic combat feat.
If it was the bonus feat they couldn't take it until they gained their first Warpriest bonus feat right? Since you can't take FCB for something that boosts or gives extra until you have that class feature right?
I think it's generally accepted - if not actually ruled-on? - that you can start with the FCB at level 1; the FCB just says 'gain 1/6 of a new bonus combat feat' without listing any requirements or restrictions. It also looks like the class ability entry simply calls the Warpriest's bonus feats "bonus feats" - so I would assume that anything talking about a Warpriest gaining one would mean a proper Warpriest bonus feat.
Except you have the elf bonus for oracles "Add +½ to the oracle’s level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation." and it's been ruled that you have it to select that FCB on it. I'm not sure right now where that rule is.
The same would apply to human Rogue FCB, too.
It makes some sense for the Oracle though - it's directly affecting a class feature, and you have to select which revelation it applies to; which you can't do if you don't have a revelation to select. An FCB that grants a bonus feat doesn't require you to select anything and doesn't affect the class feature in any way.
It says combat feat, not warpriest bonus feat. You don't get to take a fighter only feat, nor do you apply your warpriest level in place of base attack.
What I'm wondering is why people think the bonus feat is anything but a standard combat feat.
It says combat feat, not warpriest bonus feat. You don't get to take a fighter only feat, nor do you apply your warpriest level in place of base attack.
What I'm wondering is why people think the bonus feat is anything but a standard combat feat.
It's debatable either way, but to answer your question: there is no such defined thing as a 'warpriest bonus feat'. There is also no such thing as a generic 'bonus feat'. There are Fighter bonus feats, Monk bonus feats, etc., and they always appear in the class description simply as 'bonus feats'.
A 'bonus feat', as it applies to the warpriest class, is a combat feat with special conditions of selection; so I don't think interpreting a favored class bonus for a warpriest that lets you pick a 'bonus feat' as a 'bonus feat(warpriest class feature)' is exactly a stretch.
If there was a favored class bonus for a Monk that let you pick a 'bonus feat', would you assume that it operated as a Monk bonus feat, or as a standard feat? If it wasn't meant to be tied to the warpriest class feature, why not simply call it a 'combat feat'?
It says combat feat, not warpriest bonus feat. You don't get to take a fighter only feat, nor do you apply your warpriest level in place of base attack.
What I'm wondering is why people think the bonus feat is anything but a standard combat feat.
It's debatable either way, but to answer your question: there is no such defined thing as a 'warpriest bonus feat'. There is also no such thing as a generic 'bonus feat'. There are Fighter bonus feats, Monk bonus feats, etc., and they always appear in the class description simply as 'bonus feats'.
A 'bonus feat', as it applies to the warpriest class, is a combat feat with special conditions of selection; so I don't think interpreting a favored class bonus for a warpriest that lets you pick a 'bonus feat' as a 'bonus feat(warpriest class feature)' is exactly a stretch.
If there was a favored class bonus for a Monk that let you pick a 'bonus feat', would you assume that it operated as a Monk bonus feat, or as a standard feat? If it wasn't meant to be tied to the warpriest class feature, why not simply call it a 'combat feat'?
It genuinely isn't debatable. The Warpriest's bonus feats class feature spells out that only those feats have the quality of Fighter levels and base attack by level. The favored class bonus does not reference this. It says combat feat. If a race showed up with a wizard favored class bonus of 1/6 a metamagic feat would you assume they could take arcane discoveries in place of this feat? Of course you wouldn't! That's why it is indeed a stretch to apply the Warpriest bonus feat stipulations to the human favored class bonus.
As for your monk statement. If it said "feat" and did not have "combat", "style" or "ki" descriptors then I would certainly assume it meant "any" feat.
Oh, and it is called "combat feat". Not warpriest feat, just combat.
It genuinely isn't debatable. The Warpriest's bonus feats class feature spells out that only those feats have the quality of Fighter levels and base attack by level. The favored class bonus does not reference this. It says combat feat. If a race showed up with a wizard favored class bonus of 1/6 a metamagic feat would you assume they could take arcane discoveries in place of this feat? Of course you wouldn't! That's why it is indeed a stretch to apply the Warpriest bonus feat stipulations to the human favored class bonus.As for your monk statement. If it said "feat" and did not have "combat", "style" or "ki" descriptors then I would certainly assume it meant "any" feat.
Oh, and it is called "combat feat". Not warpriest feat, just combat.
You're missing the crux of what I'm trying to say; I definitely could have said it more clearly. The issue is that it's called a 'bonus combat feat'. A 'bonus feat' is, quite literally, an actual class feature. If you look up a Monk or a Fighter or a Warpriest, you will find out what a 'bonus feat' is as it relates to that class - spelled out like any other class feature - under the heading 'bonus feats'.
So, if a Wizard favored class bonus gave you a 'metamagic feat', you would have to select a 'metamagic feat'. If it gave you a 'bonus feat', you would select a bonus feat in line with the Wizard class feature.
If there's a favored class bonus that gives you something defined by that class' abilities write-up, then that's what you use. A Rogue gains a 'rogue talent'? Look up 'rogue talent' on their class page. A Monk adds a point to their 'ki pool'? Reference 'ki pool' for a Monk. A Warpriest gains a 'bonus feat'? Refer to the definition of a 'bonus feat' per the Warpriest class.
Now they also threw the word combat in there. Why? It could be redundant, relating to the fact that Warpriest bonus feats are by necessity combat feats; it could also be in contradiction to the fact that they invoke the Warpriest class feature, and mean that it's a plain extra combat feat. This is why I say it's arguable; myself I assume redundancy over contradiction, since it seems more likely and is definitely more workable.
I agree that while it can be read either way, it makes more sense and is more congruent to have it be referencing their ability. Since I understand the racial FCB options are supposed to be tied to the class and not just a random bonus.
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Oh, and it is called "combat feat". Not warpriest feat, just combat.
It's literally called "bonus combat feat"
Warpriest: Gain 1/6 of a new bonus combat feat.
The warpriest ability is called a "bonus feat".
Bonus Feats: At 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter, a
warpriest gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained
from normal advancement. These bonus feats must be
selected from those listed as combat feats.
If you're going to argue semantics at least make sure you've got what you're arguing right.
The description for "bonus feats" says that only "combat feats" are eligible. So it's incredibly easy to see why one would say that the favored class bonus would this as the description of "bonus feat must be a combat feat" is in succinct English the same as a "bonus combat feat".