Pummeling Style and its ilk

[carn]

serve the purpose of Monk/Brawler Fist getting through DR better, getting trip maneuver as effectively free action and getting pounce against single target?

So this is again an attempt to improve the monk/brawler using unarmed strikes?

Does it suceed better than the other styles that attempted that so far?

[Davor]

Yes.

Also, Pummeling style serves to increase damage output, because if one of the attack rolls crits, they are ALL considered to be a crit, which means that the more attacks you get, the greater the chance of ALL of them critting.

[carn]

And do i get it correctly that pummeling charge:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/pummeling-charge-combat
"Benefit: When using Pummeling Style, you can charge and make a Pummeling Style attack at the end of your charge as part of the charge action."
at least per RAW allows a pummeling strike in surprise and staggered rounds?

Having 7 attack rolls + 1 trip or repositioning attempt in surprise round could give monk/brawler an edge.

[Charon's Little Helper]

Of note though if you play PFS - I believe that Pummeling Charge was disallowed. (other pummeling feats are allowed)

[Mars Roma]

carn wrote:

And do i get it correctly that pummeling charge:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/pummeling-charge-combat
"Benefit: When using Pummeling Style, you can charge and make a Pummeling Style attack at the end of your charge as part of the charge action."
at least per RAW allows a pummeling strike in surprise and staggered rounds?

Having 7 attack rolls + 1 trip or repositioning attempt in surprise round could give monk/brawler an edge.

You need a Full-Round Action to do either the Charge or Pummeling Style/Charge. So you cant do that in a Surprise Round as you are limited to one Action. Though you can still do a Partial Charge as a Standard.

As for the Trip/any Combat Maneuver as part of a Pummel. I dunno. I've always Interpreted Pummel as "Yes you get to focus all dmg into one Punch but you have to hit with the First roll. THEN roll the others for additional Damage."
They are not all individual hits, though I've seen where people roll all their attacks at once to see what hits then totals even if the first hit missed. I believe this to be an incorrect way of using it but I could be wrong.
Also there is a feat called Pummeling Bully that would Suggest you can't do such a Maneuver without said feat.

[CWheezy]

A Partial charge counts as a charge, so you can indeed Use pummeling style in a surprise round

[Mars Roma]

CWheezy wrote:

A Partial charge counts as a charge, so you can indeed Use pummeling style in a surprise round

But Pummeling Charge says "When using Pummeling Style, you can charge and make a Pummeling Style attack at the end of your charge as part of the charge action."

and since you can only use Pummeling Style As a Full-Round Action, then you cannot use Pummeling Charge as part of a Partial charge since its only usable if you are limited to a Standard Action in any given round.

[Chess Pwn]

Pummeling style is using a swift action to go into the style. and while in the style you can use pummeling charge. So this is a way to greatly increase the effectiveness of surprise rounds.

[Mars Roma]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Pummeling style is using a swift action to go into the style. and while in the style you can use pummeling charge. So this is a way to greatly increase the effectiveness of surprise rounds.

Advanced Class Guide pg.154 Pummeling Style says "As a full-round action, you can pool all your attack potential in one devastating punch."

I tried pointing that out earlier but that seemed to have been overlooked by you. I'll be more specific in the Future. Sorry for me being lazy.

[carn]

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/dimensional-assault
"Benefit: As a full-round action, you use abundant step or cast dimension door as a special charge. Doing so allows you to teleport up to double your current speed (up to the maximum distance allowed by the spell or ability) and to make the attack normally allowed on a charge."

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk
"Abundant Step (Su)

At 12th level or higher, a monk can slip magically between spaces, as if using the spell dimension door. Using this ability is a move action that consumes 2 points from his ki pool. His caster level for this effect is equal to his monk level. He cannot take other creatures with him when he uses this ability."

= lev 15 monk (beforehand dimensional assault not available feat wise) with activated pummeling style can make efficetively a full attack against 1 target for 2 ki points provided target is within 160 ft (140 ft small monk) and not protected by stupid barriers.

(Unfortunately not in suprise round due to full action.)

(I know, dimensional dervish, but its another feat gained at 17th level and it requires swift)

But the rules question already popping up:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/pummeling-style-combat-style
"As a full-round action, you can pool all your attack potential in one devastating punch. Make a number of rolls equal to the number of attacks you can make with a full attack or a flurry of blows (your choice) with the normal attack bonus for each attack."

Haste? I guess, yes.

Medusas wrath? I guess, no.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/medusa-s-wrath-combat---final
"Whenever you use the full-attack action and make at least one unarmed strike, you can make two additional unarmed strikes at your highest base attack bonus. These bonus attacks must be made against a dazed, flat-footed, paralyzed, staggered, stunned, or unconscious foe."
(pummeling strike != full-attack action)

Stunning Fist? Uh, oh ...
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/stunning-fist-combat---final
" You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus, a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). Stunning Fist forces a foe damaged by your unarmed attack to make a Fortitude saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 your character level + your Wis modifier), in addition to dealing damage normally."

One makes attack roles with pummeling, so stunning fist could be used. Is it declared for one specific attack role? Probably. If that hits, fine. If it misses? That attack role missed, but the single pummeling attack with which stunning fist is used might still deal damage even if the attack role with stunning fist missed. Then it missed, but the enemy was still damaged by the unarmed strike using stunning fist. Probably means stunning fist missed, but unclear from wording.

And could several stunning fist be used in a single pummel? (For example to have differing effects or ensure sucess).

I suspect stunning fist is resolved and used for each attack role with pummeling separatly. (Meaning by burning several stunnings fist one could make enemy stunned and fatigued.)

[CWheezy]

Pummeling charge changes it:

Quote:

Your charge ends with a mighty haymaker.

Prerequisite(s): Improved Unarmed Strike, Pummeling Style; base attack bonus +12, brawler level 8th, or monk level 8th.

Benefit: When using Pummeling Style, you can charge and make a Pummeling Style attack at the end of your charge as part of the charge action.

Normal: Making a Pummeling Style attack is a full-round action.

[Nocte ex Mortis]

Pummeling Style is both a Style and an action. While in Pummeling Style you can use a full-round action to make a single super-punch, and you can use the later Feats in the Chain which require you to be in the Style.

[Chess Pwn]

Mars Roma wrote:

But Pummeling Charge says "When using Pummeling Style, you can charge and make a Pummeling Style attack at the end of your charge as part of the charge action."...

You've already quoted the rule that says it works. When using pummeling style. Now this obviously means the style stance, otherwise you couldn't make the charge since you're already using a full-attack if you're making the pummeling style attack. So now that you're charging you make a Pummeling style attack at the end of the charge. Nothing was overlooked, I know the feats. I look them up. Even with what you quoted it's clear that it works. Surprise round, partial charge, and at the end of that make a pummeling style attack.

[claudekennilol]

Mars Roma wrote:

CWheezy wrote:

A Partial charge counts as a charge, so you can indeed Use pummeling style in a surprise round

But Pummeling Charge says "When using Pummeling Style, you can charge and make a Pummeling Style attack at the end of your charge as part of the charge action."

and since you can only use Pummeling Style As a Full-Round Action, then you cannot use Pummeling Charge as part of a Partial charge since its only usable if you are limited to a Standard Action in any given round.

Pummeling Charge changes the requirements of Pummeling Style in that it can now be done at the end of a charge (in addition to it also being its own full-round action). You're allowed to charge during a surprise round, but only up to one increment of movement instead of 2 increments of movement (hence "partial charge"). Since you can charge during your surprise round, you can now Pummeling Style during your surprise round.

[Jeff Clem]

Pummeling Style is like cluster shot for Monks. It's suppose to help monks get past creatures DR.
Pummeling Charge is like pounce for Monks using unarmed attacks.
This is no difference than a barbarian Beast Totem, Greater rage power. yes I know a Barb gets this at 10th level but he can use any weapon with this while a monk can only use unarmed strikes.

[Charon's Little Helper]

Jeff Clem wrote:

Pummeling Style is like cluster shot for Monks. It's suppose to help monks get past creatures DR.

It's somewhat better than that due to getting a crit on the whole thing whenever you crit on any of them. However, due to an unarmed strike's x2 crit, it's not all that crazy.

[Secret Wizard]

To the OP:

Unless you are building a very specialized build (such as a Crane Style defender or a Mantis Style user of Stunning Fist), you are crippling yourself by not taking Pummeling Style as a Brawler or Monk.