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Dont get me wrong i think its great to get all kinds of good things for oracles, i love this class.
They can get charisma to saves, ac, initiative and probably many more things.
The question is why why is the oracle the only one who get this kind of support? maybe because someone tought Charisma was underrated for combat?
I feel many martial classes would really be able to be able to get less MAD. Specially the monk. Wouldnt that make for a more enjoyable game? The precedents of use charisma to almost everything defeats a mentality that a stat should always be tied to one thing.
I remember Wotc doing that and everybody made fun of them with 4E...Amirite?
Actually that was one of the things right with 4e, glad some form stated with 5e too. 4e's problems was not the frame it was the crap build on to the frame.
They did it right, all ability scores were useful, there were not inherently mad classes. I hate the power and skill system toughtI remember Wotc doing that and everybody made fun of them with 4E...Amirite?
I like the skill system as well as I liked it in Saga Edition. The powers were awful yet I loved Nine-Swords and again Saga Edition. I think adding the dailies, ug dailies, and at wills messed the system up. But my 2 biggest gripes were the magic and the race/class/feat hyper-restriction. Being told only x can be this or that is terrible design.
Noble scion can be taken by anybody. Divine protection can be taken by warpriests, clerics and oracles. Sure, oracles will get the most out of it but they are not the only ones.
I could well see it on a paladin archetype that trades away divine grace via a 1 level dip. In fact a 1 level dip will give it to some races who have 2nd level divine SLAs.
It is just that oracles can get both and cha to AC on top of it.
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I like the skill system as well as I liked it in Saga Edition. The powers were awful yet I loved Nine-Swords and again Saga Edition. I think adding the dailies, ug dailies, and at wills messed the system up. But my 2 biggest gripes were the magic and the race/class/feat hyper-restriction. Being told only x can be this or that is terrible design.They did it right, all ability scores were useful, there were not inherently mad classes. I hate the power and skill system toughtI remember Wotc doing that and everybody made fun of them with 4E...Amirite?
Well i actually meant the "skill challenge" mechanic, it was so boring, trips suddenly became throwing random d20s and praying
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Noble scion can be taken by anybody. Divine protection can be taken by warpriests, clerics and oracles. Sure, oracles will get the most out of it but they are not the only ones.
I could well see it on a paladin archetype that trades away divine grace via a 1 level dip. In fact a 1 level dip will give it to some races who have 2nd level divine SLAs.
It is just that oracles can get both and cha to AC on top of it.
Of all of those classes you mentioned, the oracles are the only ones who only needs charisma to work. Warpriest dont even have a reason to pump charisma. On 9/10 cases an oracle with divine protection will have better saves than a Paladin
Plus the fact the other classes you mentioned cant get his highest ability mod to AC AND Reflex.
I have no idea what noble scion has to do with anything.
It is this feat that allows cha to initiative. So it is one of the cha to everything feats we are talking about.
Lore oracle would be able to get cha to knowledge skills if my memory serves me right. But then you'd not get cha to CMD.
Before the Oracle there was the Bard class, which with a high CHA bonus was uber on all kinds of things - gather information, sleep spells, earning coin on downtime, etc. Throw in a few Cloaks of Charisma and masterwork instruments, and the Bard looked +2 levels above all their teammates, permanently. Especially in skill-and-save games vs. combat-heavy modules. Forgotten Realms has a couple of books where the Bard is the main character.
Funny thing is, I've never had a long-lasting game with a Bard on the team. I've tried to play a Bard once or twice, including a Sorcerer/Bard multiclass, but that was just to get arcane healing in a spell. Oracles use CHA for healing even more than Paladins, and without all the Paladin restrictions and limits on their healing. It was a niche to be filled, and now it's filled.
Because who doesn't want to give things to the little blind girl telling fortunes on the street corner? :D