Graveknight armor in a bag of holding


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I'm currently GMing a Carrion Crown campaign and in one encounter I replaced a couple of mooks the party would just run through with a couple more challenging creatures. One of the creatures I brought in was a Graveknight Anti-Paladin 7 (The changes I made to the encounter brought it up from a CR13 to roughly a CR13.5). The party eventually overcame the encounter but was unable to identify the Graveknight (there was a Paladin with +15 Knowledge religion who rolled a 1, and a Barbarian 10/Cleric of Pharasma 3, who also didn't roll high enough). I described the armor as particularly unsettling but due to the surrounding environment, detect evil didn't give them any extra information. The armor promptly went into a bag of holding. I rolled 3 days on the regeneration time which is almost guaranteed to pass by before they are able to get rid of the armor.

My question is: How should I play this out? Should the graveknight attempt to pull the first person to reach into the bag into it? Would the graveknight consider simply rupturing the bag (admittedly this would really be a dick move on my part considering how much loot is currently in the bag)?

Thanks in advance for suggestions and advice.


well.. first thing to consider, if all this loot is in the bag, is there going to be enough room for the graveknight to reform?

second.. when he reforms.. is his body regrowing? or just times up poof hes whole?

odds are, there probably isn't enough room, so just have him "pop" outside the bag, in the closest non occupied space.

Could be a great way for him to escape, middle of the night, *poof* he appears in camp and makes a run for it. With only 1 guy on watch..and the rest not fully geared , its reasonable for him to escape.


as a grave knight rupturing the sack would scatter him across the planes, essentially meaning death. it would be better if he played it smart and try to slay the party in their sleep. it would be impossible to make that stealth in plate mail, but bear in mind that most living creatures cannot sleep in their armor, and their spells would be depleted.


If he's smart enough to understand he's in a bag of holding, he'd probably try to escape or pull someone in (personally I'd do that, it'd be a memorable fight!) If not, he might just cut his way into oblivion. Also funny.


Both of you just gave me a very evil idea which may give me a second opportunity to steal the Raven's Head from the party (the only significant item I wouldn't feel like an ass by taking it from them), involving the spells silence and invisibility. Hmm, maybe the whispering tyrant will get a second chance at the end of the campaign.

Grollub: There's actually plenty of space and weight left in the bag (it's either a type II or III), they skipped a lot of the travel encounters on the way there by flying so most of the items in the bag are very small, with only the 10 sets of leather armor being of significant size. I estimate they've used about 40% of the bag's weight limit, while only around 25% of it's space, assuming a type II bag.

Thanks for the suggestions. >=)


Ummmm... what kind of armor was this? I assume Plate because, well, Paladin. If my assumption is correct how big do you thing the opening to a Bag of Holding is?

Edit: The description of the bag states it is about 2 foot by 4 foot, which means 2 feet in width and 4 feet in length. So, you could open the bag into a cylinder with a total circumference of 4 feet, which works out to a radius of 7.63" or a diameter (i.e. the amount the bag could be "opened") of just over 15"


Josh-o-Lantern wrote:

Ummmm... what kind of armor was this? I assume Plate because, well, Paladin. If my assumption is correct how big do you thing the opening to a Bag of Holding is?

Edit: The description of the bag states it is about 2 foot by 4 foot, which means 2 feet in width and 4 feet in length. So, you could open the bag into a cylinder with a total circumference of 4 feet, which works out to a radius of 7.63" or a diameter (i.e. the amount the bag could be "opened") of just over 15"

The 4x2 bag is roughly (in my eyes) like a Santa Claus sack. One can certainly fit in, even if entering one foot at a time. Remember that you can squeeze through 1size smaller than you opening, corridor, etc.


Similar thing happened to me. Book three of Kingmaker I have a Cyclops Grave Knight AntiPaladin 2 that was Vordekai's minion.....

He's now the BBEG.


shroudb wrote:
Josh-o-Lantern wrote:

Ummmm... what kind of armor was this? I assume Plate because, well, Paladin. If my assumption is correct how big do you thing the opening to a Bag of Holding is?

Edit: The description of the bag states it is about 2 foot by 4 foot, which means 2 feet in width and 4 feet in length. So, you could open the bag into a cylinder with a total circumference of 4 feet, which works out to a radius of 7.63" or a diameter (i.e. the amount the bag could be "opened") of just over 15"

The 4x2 bag is roughly (in my eyes) like a Santa Claus sack. One can certainly fit in, even if entering one foot at a time. Remember that you can squeeze through 1size smaller than you opening, corridor, etc.

1.) your perception on what 2x4 is might, and by might I mean IS, inaccurate. Side note, all depictions of "Santa's sack" is much large.

2.) Plate armor can't squeeze. Go limb for limb all you like, a rigid metal breastplate with greater width than the dimensions of the bag wont be squeezing without a hammer.


Josh-o-Lantern wrote:
shroudb wrote:
Josh-o-Lantern wrote:

Ummmm... what kind of armor was this? I assume Plate because, well, Paladin. If my assumption is correct how big do you thing the opening to a Bag of Holding is?

Edit: The description of the bag states it is about 2 foot by 4 foot, which means 2 feet in width and 4 feet in length. So, you could open the bag into a cylinder with a total circumference of 4 feet, which works out to a radius of 7.63" or a diameter (i.e. the amount the bag could be "opened") of just over 15"

The 4x2 bag is roughly (in my eyes) like a Santa Claus sack. One can certainly fit in, even if entering one foot at a time. Remember that you can squeeze through 1size smaller than you opening, corridor, etc.

1.) your perception on what 2x4 is might, and by might I mean IS, inaccurate. Side note, all depictions of "Santa's sack" is much large.

2.) Plate armor can't squeeze. Go limb for limb all you like, a rigid metal breastplate with greater width than the dimensions of the bag wont be squeezing without a hammer.

No it isn't wrong.

2x4 is 60cm width x 1.2m height, that is more than half the height of a man and a bit more spacious than his waist. Like a potato sack or such. Quite easy to get in foot by foot.

As for squeezing:
A person WEARING full plate can squeeze in half it's size. So if someone wearing full plate can squeeze through a 2.5ft passage (actual game rules), then surely, a full plate without anything restricting it to fold (like shoulders and etc) can VERY easily pass through 2ft.


shroudb wrote:
Josh-o-Lantern wrote:
shroudb wrote:
Josh-o-Lantern wrote:

Ummmm... what kind of armor was this? I assume Plate because, well, Paladin. If my assumption is correct how big do you thing the opening to a Bag of Holding is?

Edit: The description of the bag states it is about 2 foot by 4 foot, which means 2 feet in width and 4 feet in length. So, you could open the bag into a cylinder with a total circumference of 4 feet, which works out to a radius of 7.63" or a diameter (i.e. the amount the bag could be "opened") of just over 15"

The 4x2 bag is roughly (in my eyes) like a Santa Claus sack. One can certainly fit in, even if entering one foot at a time. Remember that you can squeeze through 1size smaller than you opening, corridor, etc.

1.) your perception on what 2x4 is might, and by might I mean IS, inaccurate. Side note, all depictions of "Santa's sack" is much large.

2.) Plate armor can't squeeze. Go limb for limb all you like, a rigid metal breastplate with greater width than the dimensions of the bag wont be squeezing without a hammer.

No it isn't wrong.

2x4 is 60cm width x 1.2m height, that is more than half the height of a man and a bit more spacious than his waist. Like a potato sack or such. Quite easy to get in foot by foot.

As for squeezing:
A person WEARING full plate can squeeze in half it's size. So if someone wearing full plate can squeeze through a 2.5ft passage (actual game rules), then surely, a full plate without anything restricting it to fold (like shoulders and etc) can VERY easily pass through 2ft.

While, yes, a Character can squeeze (even though only an idiot lets a man in plate squeeze into a foot and a half hole). Objects cannot squeeze. Besides the fact that to squeeze into a space less than 1/2 your size requires a skill and object can't be trained it.

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Having worn plate armor while attempting to retrieve LARP props from a crawlspace, I can say that yes, you can squeeze while wearing it.

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