Kitsune Arcanist, are these choices legal?


Pathfinder Society


Only my second character and I just wanted to see if I'd make PFS legal selections.

Race: Kitsune
Class: Arcanist with blood arcanist (fey) bloodline*.
Alignement: CG
Deity: Tamashigo

Age: 16
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 126lbs

Faction: Scarab Sages
Languages: Common, Osiriani, Senzar, Sylvan, Tien

Str: 11
Dex: 15
Con: 12
Int: 16
Wis: 10
Cha: 14

1st level spells taken: Color spray, Endure Elements, Mage Armour, Silent Image

Skills: Craft (drawing), Knowledge (Arcana/Nature/Planes), Perform (sing), Spellcraft

Feat: Realistic Likeness
Traits: Cosmic Caravan (The Thrush), Magical Knack (Blood Arcanist)

Starting Gear
1) Arcanists Kit*
2) Masterwork backpack
3) Blanket
4) Canteen times 2
5) Chalk times 10
6) Ink Coloured (to go with the black ink in the arcanists kit)
7) Journal
8) Marbles
9) Sack times 2
10) Explorers Outfit 1 free, 1 purchased
11) Scroll of magic Missle (plus case)
12) Scroll of protection from evil (plus case)
13) Sewing Needle
14) Silk Rope
15) Thread

*
I assume 3rd party stuff isn't legal if it is there's another bloodline I want. I also have a few items in the arcanists kit (backpack, waterskin) I purchased better version can I sell these for 1/2 price?

I'm mainly looking to check these options are legal I'm aware they're not really the best/most powerful ones to take but they're largely what I want (the scrolls were just to have a bit of choice) or feel a first level character should have.

Scarab Sages

PFS doesn't allow for any 3rd party sources. The only thing I see that stands out odd is your deity. Which resource is that from?

Shadow Lodge

From what I can find, Tamashigo is a philosophy, not a deity, and is related to the Dragon Empires. It's not legal as far as I can tell, but as long as its just fluff for the character there is nothing wrong with it (just don't write it on your sheet on the deity line, leave it blank if you must).

Aside from that, everything appears to be legal, but you can double check for yourself in the Additional Resources also, keep in mind that for Pathfinder Society you need to be able to provide your GM with an official rules source for each additional resource that you utilize (that is everything beyond the Core Rulebook) as many GMs may not be familiar with some of the more, exotic choices which you are utilizing, and if you do not bring the resource with you, the GM would be within their rights to not let you play or not let you use any abilities from said resources.

Finally, if you haven't already, you should read The Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play which in addition to the additional resources should answer any further questions regarding Pathfinder Society Organized Play which you may have.

Scarab Sages

Yes its essentially the Shinto of Golarion which seemed appropriate for the character. I'm not really a fan of the core gods so I'll probably leave it blank since I don't need a deity for a wizard. I have the guide but I wanted to get a second opinion to catch things I missed (like Tamashigo). I can provide the rules but I'll keep that in mind if I'm away from the local group.

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/55/5 ***

There's nothing wrong with following Tamashigo. It's explained in one sentence in the Dragon Empires Primer, and is one of those intentionally vague philosophies that any character can run with.

When my Oracle describes Tamashigo, and goes into depth about it (or my version, at least), I find other players are more interested. Nobody's ever heard of it, compared to the core gods that everyone's familiar with.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Senzar is an ancient language i think, so i don't think you can start with it as a bonus language off of your intelligence.

Magical knack only works if you multiclass. it doesn't do anything to a single class arcane caster.

You have more points in strength than you do in con. I know you said you weren't looking for optimization, but in PFS you don't always have a meat shield and that could be very, very bad.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Senzar is an ancient language i think, so i don't think you can start with it as a bonus language off of your intelligence.

Kitsune get Senzar and Tien as automatic racial languages if you are using the Dragon Empires Primer as the source for the race.

Looking at the statblock, I see those 2 plus 3 others from high Int, which appears correct.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Damn. Even eastern guidebooks are overpowered! :)

3/5

Actually, you automatically get common in PFS if it's not granted normally. So if the Dragon Empires Primer source give Senzar and Tien automatically (don't have my copy on me), then they also get Common for free, and thus he's one language shy. Of course, that only works if you have the Dragon Empires Primer for a presentable resource. If you're using the Advanced Race Guide instead, then that changes things.

Scarab Sages

DrakeRoberts wrote:
Actually, you automatically get common in PFS if it's not granted normally. So if the Dragon Empires Primer source give Senzar and Tien automatically (don't have my copy on me), then they also get Common for free, and thus he's one language shy. Of course, that only works if you have the Dragon Empires Primer for a presentable resource. If you're using the Advanced Race Guide instead, then that changes things.

Actually I took it as a bonus language since it was an alternate starting one. So either change it out or take it as starting, get common for free and pick another language hmmmm.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Yep, for one source for the Kitsune, you get Tien and Senzar as racial, Common for free from the PFS Guide, and you would still get another three languages from Int.

Scarab Sages

kinevon wrote:
Yep, for one source for the Kitsune, you get Tien and Senzar as racial, Common for free from the PFS Guide, and you would still get another three languages from Int.

Interesting.

Grand Lodge

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Senko wrote:
Yes its essentially the Shinto of Golarion which seemed appropriate for the character. I'm not really a fan of the core gods so I'll probably leave it blank since I don't need a deity for a wizard. I have the guide but I wanted to get a second opinion to catch things I missed (like Tamashigo). I can provide the rules but I'll keep that in mind if I'm away from the local group.

It's a legal choice for anyone that's not a cleric.

Shadow Lodge

LazarX wrote:
Senko wrote:
Yes its essentially the Shinto of Golarion which seemed appropriate for the character. I'm not really a fan of the core gods so I'll probably leave it blank since I don't need a deity for a wizard. I have the guide but I wanted to get a second opinion to catch things I missed (like Tamashigo). I can provide the rules but I'll keep that in mind if I'm away from the local group.
It's a legal choice for anyone that's not a cleric.

Well, just as legal as worshiping Razmir, which you also cannot write in your deity box legally.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

I don't understand why not. Tamashigo is legal according to the Additional Resources document (for the Dragon Empires Primer, at least).

Shadow Lodge

Nefreet wrote:
I don't understand why not. Tamashigo is legal according to the Additional Resources document (for the Dragon Empires Primer, at least).

I wouldn't be 100% sure that it allows it, it says the deities are legal, not the Philosophies. Of course I missed that it was in the Primer at first, thought it was only in the Gazetteer.

Sczarni 4/5

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Dylos wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Senko wrote:
Yes its essentially the Shinto of Golarion which seemed appropriate for the character. I'm not really a fan of the core gods so I'll probably leave it blank since I don't need a deity for a wizard. I have the guide but I wanted to get a second opinion to catch things I missed (like Tamashigo). I can provide the rules but I'll keep that in mind if I'm away from the local group.
It's a legal choice for anyone that's not a cleric.
Well, just as legal as worshiping Razmir, which you also cannot write in your deity box legally.

Say what? Where does it tell me that my Razmiran Priest cannot worship Razmir?

Razmir is the source of all that is good and beneficial. Those other so-called deities, who are not living gods, just make their followers dependent on them, instead of making them upright and stand-up types, like us Razmiran Priests are.

Shadow Lodge

Russo PC wrote:
Dylos wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Senko wrote:
Yes its essentially the Shinto of Golarion which seemed appropriate for the character. I'm not really a fan of the core gods so I'll probably leave it blank since I don't need a deity for a wizard. I have the guide but I wanted to get a second opinion to catch things I missed (like Tamashigo). I can provide the rules but I'll keep that in mind if I'm away from the local group.
It's a legal choice for anyone that's not a cleric.
Well, just as legal as worshiping Razmir, which you also cannot write in your deity box legally.

Say what? Where does it tell me that my Razmiran Priest cannot worship Razmir?

Razmir is the source of all that is good and beneficial. Those other so-called deities, who are not living gods, just make their followers dependent on them, instead of making them upright and stand-up types, like us Razmiran Priests are.

Here's the thing with Razmir, the closest we have to a god entry for him is on page 180 of Inner Sea Gods, and he doesn't appear in the appendix, so according to the additional resources he isn't a legal deity, however you cannot reskin the archetype and thus you must venerate Razmir but venerate =/= worship. You can venerate any creature, deity, or religious outview you like, however to worship something (and thus gain mechanical advantages from it) it must be a legal option (which Razmir is not).

Of course since Razmir has no domains, doesn't grant divine spells, and has no religious specific spells, feats, or traits, there is no mechanical advantage to be gained, the same could be said about the Tamashigo philosophy.

Silver Crusade 1/5

last time I looked at additional resources...

Yes, many of the philosophies are legal choices-- so long as you aren't a cleric. Also, worshiping Razmir is legal in PFS-- so long you aren't evil (and, yes, Razmir has non-evil worshipers-- perhaps not many? but he has them).

Sczarni 4/5

Finn Kveldulfr wrote:

last time I looked at additional resources...

Yes, many of the philosophies are legal choices-- so long as you aren't a cleric. Also, worshiping Razmir is legal in PFS-- so long you aren't evil (and, yes, Razmir has non-evil worshipers-- perhaps not many? but he has them).

Actually, as far as I can tell, if you are a Razmiran Priest in PFS< does that mean you have to be LN, since Razmir or Razmiran, is LE?

Inquiring, but chaotically-inclined minds want to know. ;)

Grand Lodge 4/5

Russo PC wrote:
Finn Kveldulfr wrote:

last time I looked at additional resources...

Yes, many of the philosophies are legal choices-- so long as you aren't a cleric. Also, worshiping Razmir is legal in PFS-- so long you aren't evil (and, yes, Razmir has non-evil worshipers-- perhaps not many? but he has them).

Actually, as far as I can tell, if you are a Razmiran Priest in PFS< does that mean you have to be LN, since Razmir or Razmiran, is LE?

Inquiring, but chaotically-inclined minds want to know. ;)

Since no-one yet has pointed out a legal source for Razmir as an object of worship, decorating your character sheet with his name can have no mechanical effect. If you have a "Razmiran" archetype or prestige class, check the rules for that option.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Starglim wrote:
Russo PC wrote:
Finn Kveldulfr wrote:

last time I looked at additional resources...

Yes, many of the philosophies are legal choices-- so long as you aren't a cleric. Also, worshiping Razmir is legal in PFS-- so long you aren't evil (and, yes, Razmir has non-evil worshipers-- perhaps not many? but he has them).

Actually, as far as I can tell, if you are a Razmiran Priest in PFS< does that mean you have to be LN, since Razmir or Razmiran, is LE?

Inquiring, but chaotically-inclined minds want to know. ;)

Since no-one yet has pointed out a legal source for Razmir as an object of worship, decorating your character sheet with his name can have no mechanical effect. If you have a "Razmiran" archetype or prestige class, check the rules for that option.

For both Razmir and Tamashigo (and some other similar things):

'Faiths and Philosophies' (has a pretty good section on following false and/or fallen deities in it, along with all the stuff on philosophies and codes). So far as I know, that stuff IS PFS legal, but is mostly fluff, not crunch.

On the other hand, because Razmir is a false god, it still isn't going to have (much of) a mechanical effect anyway (false and/or dead gods explicitly cannot grant any divine powers/spells/etc to their worshippers).

Sczarni 4/5

Finn Kveldulfr wrote:
Starglim wrote:
Russo PC wrote:
Finn Kveldulfr wrote:

last time I looked at additional resources...

Yes, many of the philosophies are legal choices-- so long as you aren't a cleric. Also, worshiping Razmir is legal in PFS-- so long you aren't evil (and, yes, Razmir has non-evil worshipers-- perhaps not many? but he has them).

Actually, as far as I can tell, if you are a Razmiran Priest in PFS< does that mean you have to be LN, since Razmir or Razmiran, is LE?

Inquiring, but chaotically-inclined minds want to know. ;)

Since no-one yet has pointed out a legal source for Razmir as an object of worship, decorating your character sheet with his name can have no mechanical effect. If you have a "Razmiran" archetype or prestige class, check the rules for that option.

For both Razmir and Tamashigo (and some other similar things):

'Faiths and Philosophies' (has a pretty good section on following false and/or fallen deities in it, along with all the stuff on philosophies and codes). So far as I know, that stuff IS PFS legal, but is mostly fluff, not crunch.

On the other hand, because Razmir is a false god, it still isn't going to have (much of) a mechanical effect anyway (false and/or dead gods explicitly cannot grant any divine powers/spells/etc to their worshippers).

That's why you must be a Sorcerer or Bard to be a Razmiran Priest, IIRC.


Liam Warner wrote:

Only my second character and I just wanted to see if I'd make PFS legal selections.

1st level spells taken: Color spray, Endure Elements, Mage Armour, Silent Image

I think you have a couple of spare spells to pick. It's 3 + Int mod.

The "class kit" items come with a discount, so I don't think you're allowed to disassemble them for parts.

The Exchange 4/5 5/5

Let's go to the PFS FAQ...

PFS FAQ wrote:

What determines if my character can be a “worshiper” of a deity?

As a character, you may choose to worship a single deity or pantheon (the “deity”). If you worship a pantheon, you do not count as worshiping every god in that pantheon; you must choose one deity from that pantheon for the purpose of gaining mechanical benefits.

Your character’s alignment must be within one step of that of the deity he or she worships. Any character with levels in a class that grants spells or other features from a specific deity must worship that deity.

A character may only worship one deity at a time; the character may change which deity she worships between sessions at no cost. If this change requires the character to change alignment, the character is required to pay for an atonement. Any element incompatible with the new deity no longer functions. These elements may be retrained at normal cost using the rules from Ultimate Campaign.

For example, a cleric of Desna with the Travel and Luck domains and the Butterfly Sting feat switches her worship to Shelyn. The cleric may still use the Luck domain because Shelyn grants that domain, but not the Travel domain or the Butterfly Sting feat, because worship of Shelyn does not grant access to those features.

So yes, you can worship a pantheon. This FAQ has to do with the mechanical benefits of worship. SO if you take any feat, trait, etc. that is based on who you worship you must choose one specific deity.

class kits:
I'm pretty sure you can disassemble them. They are bought at a discount but don't forget that every piece you sell back is only for 50% of cost, so you are still taking a loss.

Scarab Sages

Not planning on anything requiring a specific deity and only breaking up kits because some other things are better e.g.canteen vs wsterbottle and I think I did thr calculations right.

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