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Say you are playing a swashbuckler who's not going to have the 13 Str needed for power attack, most likely due to playing a Str penalty race.
Which of these would you use to boost your damage:
Piranha Strike, which functions as power attack, but only with light weapons.
Slashing Grace, which gives Dex to damage, but only with one-handed weapons.
Slashing Grace seems more front-loaded, giving you Dex to damage as soon as you take it, while Pirana Strike only gives +2 damage till BAB 4. However, Piranha Strike comes with an ever-increasing penalty to attack rolls. Is it worth taking that penalty?
Which do you think wins out on damage in the end after factoring in reduced chance to hit (and confirm crits)?
Slashing grace doesn't work with Light weapons?
That has to be an accident. I'll house rule it until we get official errata.
Nope, and I'm almost certain it isn't an accident. Pretty sure devs have even said as much.
Slashing grace wins hands down. You'll likely end with a minimum of +6 to dexterity (probably most dex PC's will hit at least +8 - +10 though) so you add +6 for no loss of damage, while piranhas strike will be -6 to attack for +12 to damage(Assuming your full BAB). I just don't see more than rare corner cases where the loss to hit is worth it.
Slashing grace doesn't work with Light weapons?
Indeed. It also only works with slashing weapons, so no dex to damage with that sword cane. :-/
Back on topic! If an Agile Weapon is an option, Piranha Strike all the way. If Agile weapons are not going to be an option for a while (ie you start at level 1), I'd take Slashing Grace. You can always retrain later on.
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Most comments of the devs, say it was a slip. Jason said something like "we created and odd situation" by not letting a dex to damage with rapiers, that why they are making the dex to damage rapier feat
To the op, no you cant combine them.
Good news, martial versatility lets you apply slashing grace to light weapons.
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Most comments of the devs, say it was a slip. Jason said something like "we created and odd situation" by not letting a dex to damage with rapiers, that why they are making the dex to damage rapier feat
To the op, no you cant combine them.
Good news, martial versatility lets you apply slashing grace to light weapons.
The rapier is still a one-handed weapon, and fencing grace does nothing to enable dex to damage with light weapons.
Also, expect extreme table variation on martial versatility on slashing grace.
It might just be me, but I read Jason's "we created an odd situation" posts to mean that they did not intend to leave the rapier out in the cold, not that slashing Grace was meant to work with light weapons.
That said, house rules Energize!
Don't forget that Piranha Strike / Power Attack penalties last until your next turn, so they apply to Parry attempts as well.
I expect Slashing Grace will be errata'ed to work with Light weapons. It can already be applied to Light weapons via Martial Versatility, and in its current state it's usable with a battleaxe but not a dagger, which is just silly.
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People keep saying that you can apply slashing grace to light weapons with martial versatility. I'm sure that you can't RAW without also taking weapon focus in whatever light weapon you are applying it to as well as the one-handed weapon you are using martial versatility with. You still need to meet the prerequisites of any feat to use it, nothing in martial versatility overrides that. You can apply ONE feat to any weapon in the group with martial versatility. Since Slashing Grace requires Weapon Focus as a prerequisite, you need to have weapon focus in your light weapon as well as your other one.
To have it work with all feats you would need martial mastery.
This is for PFS, so we're stuck with the RAW until errata comes. Likely starting at level 3 on GM credit.
Ah! In that case I'd go with Dervish Dance if you don't mind using a scimitar, or Slashing Grace if you want to use a different weapon.
Unrelated but I'd also suggest taking a look at the Weapon Versatility feat, which lets you deal piercing/bludgeoning/slashing damage with your slashing grace weapon.
People keep saying that you can apply slashing grace to light weapons with martial versatility. I'm sure that you can't RAW without also taking weapon focus in whatever light weapon you are applying it to as well as the one-handed weapon you are using martial versatility with. You still need to meet the prerequisites of any feat to use it, nothing in martial versatility overrides that. You can apply ONE feat to any weapon in the group with martial versatility. Since Slashing Grace requires Weapon Focus as a prerequisite, you need to have weapon focus in your light weapon as well as your other one.
To have it work with all feats you would need martial mastery.
Or take Martial Versatility twice, once for Weapon Focus and once for Slashing Grace.
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Or take Martial Versatility twice, once for Weapon Focus and once for Slashing Grace.People keep saying that you can apply slashing grace to light weapons with martial versatility. I'm sure that you can't RAW without also taking weapon focus in whatever light weapon you are applying it to as well as the one-handed weapon you are using martial versatility with. You still need to meet the prerequisites of any feat to use it, nothing in martial versatility overrides that. You can apply ONE feat to any weapon in the group with martial versatility. Since Slashing Grace requires Weapon Focus as a prerequisite, you need to have weapon focus in your light weapon as well as your other one.
To have it work with all feats you would need martial mastery.
You can only take Martial Versatility once.
You can only take Martial Versatility once.Or take Martial Versatility twice, once for Weapon Focus and once for Slashing Grace.People keep saying that you can apply slashing grace to light weapons with martial versatility. I'm sure that you can't RAW without also taking weapon focus in whatever light weapon you are applying it to as well as the one-handed weapon you are using martial versatility with. You still need to meet the prerequisites of any feat to use it, nothing in martial versatility overrides that. You can apply ONE feat to any weapon in the group with martial versatility. Since Slashing Grace requires Weapon Focus as a prerequisite, you need to have weapon focus in your light weapon as well as your other one.
To have it work with all feats you would need martial mastery.
Unless it's been errata'ed recently, you can take it more than once.
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Unless it's been errata'ed recently, you can take it more than once.You can only take Martial Versatility once.Or take Martial Versatility twice, once for Weapon Focus and once for Slashing Grace.People keep saying that you can apply slashing grace to light weapons with martial versatility. I'm sure that you can't RAW without also taking weapon focus in whatever light weapon you are applying it to as well as the one-handed weapon you are using martial versatility with. You still need to meet the prerequisites of any feat to use it, nothing in martial versatility overrides that. You can apply ONE feat to any weapon in the group with martial versatility. Since Slashing Grace requires Weapon Focus as a prerequisite, you need to have weapon focus in your light weapon as well as your other one.
To have it work with all feats you would need martial mastery.
My mistake, I never noticed the last line. Even still, it takes five feats to get dex to damage with light weapons. Unless you have a LOT of bonus feats, this and twf is going to take all of your build resources.
Of course, if people start abusing this, then I would expect a FAQ to come out that specifies that you can't use Martial Versatility to apply a feat that requires a one-handed weapon to a light .
If you want dex to damage TWF, look no further then Slashing Grace with Sawtooth Sabre's.
I for one urge that people don't try and use Martial Versatility for light weapons with Slashing Grace. It feels like it's making the rules bend until they cry :).
If you want dex to damage TWF, look no further then Slashing Grace with Sawtooth Sabre's.
I for one urge that people don't try and use Martial Versatility for light weapons with Slashing Grace. It feels like it's making the rules bend until they cry :).
Using a feat for its intended purpose isn't bending the rules. And the only real reason to use Martial Versatility to go from Sawtooth Sabres to Kukris (or Wakizashis if you retrain your EWP feat) is the panache generation from dual 15-20 weapons.
With the Sabre's you no longer need martial versatility. Swashbuckler's Finesse and Slashing Grace give you dex to damage. If you are proficient with the sabre then it counts as light for the purposes of TWF. So both hands get dex to damage, and so on. No need to use martial versatility to access the other weapons.